Is it Tuesday yet? geesh...

A saint is courageous and a heretic is stubborn, to characterize the reactions to those attitudes.

Seeing how you are raising taxes aka reducing liberty for those 3% by using state coercion to collect that money. The fair alternative is only reducing the payroll of people who work for the state at probably a lower rate than that 3% have lost in income during the recession. Add to the fact that the State is a servant not a master and the 3% are citizens with rights where government has none, cutting the budget is fair by any definition of the word.

Do you value the State over individuals? I know you do, but that is hitleresque anyway you slice it. Remember Hitler was socialist state lover. Since the days of slavery to now, the government is nothing more than a criminal cartel. you are naive if you do no realize this. These people are not gods, but men who have embellished themselves and squandered our resources against the common good.

Grow up people and think for yourselves! Ok now turn my email over to the government like good Obamaites. Do it why? because my political opinion challenges yours you 3rd term George Bush worshipers. O is the new W, D = R with a tad of class violence.

Now I understand what Dems are thinking when they appropriate the word "progressive". Hitler just called his party socialist, even though it had no socialist character, and 80+ years later, it's symbolic to the symbol minded.

You know, I could care less what the rich bastards think about me so long as we get the money to take care of all the needs in this state (and country), a state and country that has made it possible for so many to be so much better of then their fellow citizens and most people around the world.

Class warfare is what the rich --- and by that I mean the kind of people who live off "unearned income" and who depend on the work of others to make their businesses run --- wage on the not-rich by shifting the tax burden down the income ladder, fighting against things like universal health care, and finding every possible way to nickel-and-dime working and poor people to keep them from getting ahead.

Time for working and poor people to get green and take OUR country back.

Green reminds Dems of the Edwards effect. Dems don't want to talk about class warfare, even if people feel it in a free floating anxiety sort of way. Reps are trying to put a label on that nebulous feeling. I say seize the debate rather than deny the phenomenon. Class warfare is as old as prostitution.

Once again Springer it up perfectly!

Just your the education of those who do not understand history. Hitler was a socialist progressive. He confiscated property from rich people and instituted national health care in Austria. He centralized power in the State to make sure it could function even when the people could not. While Hitler was much worse than what we have today. The Peasant mindedness of taking from those who have made more and giving it to those who make less is the same principle he operated from. It is a principle contrary to individual liberty and manifests power in the tyranny of the collective.

Business 101

When you need more money, there are 3 ways to accomplish it:

1. Raise more revenue (the Dem choice)
2. Cut expenses (the GOP choice>
3. Raise a little more revenue and CUT some expense (the SMART choice)

This state would certainly be better off with less 1 or 2 and a lot more 3.

The to 2% of the state's greediest, filthy, producers pay for ONE THIRD of the states laziest, entitled, consumers. How's that for fair?

I was out yesterday distributing no on 66/67 literature and talking to people in their homes. Most of the people I meet did not vote or voted no. I ran into 3 people who voted yes, none of them understood the tricks of the legislature and that the money was not actually earmarked for the programs it claims to support. One was a teacher and stood firm in her position. The other two became friendlier after we chatted a bit. Oregon is waking up. Blues are understanding that just because its a tax does not mean its good. I am excited. Now the problem is how will the political backlash manifest?

The to 2% of the state's greediest, filthy, producers pay for ONE THIRD of the states laziest, entitled, consumers. How's that for fair?

The top 2% in Oregon receive ("earn" is a hard word to use here) about 38% or 39% of the income--so paying 33% is less than fair.

GWeiss

Wrong. Per the ODOR tax facts, The top 1% earn 18% of AGI and pay 25% of all taxes. The top 5% earn 33% of income and pay 42% of taxes. The top 20% earn 60% of income and pay 69% of taxes.

Kids, you are not slicing the numbers enough to cause them to render up meaning. AND, geo, mixing fractions and percentages clouds whatever meaning you wish to convey.

I've nothing educated to say as you all stand around beating this really, really REALLY dead cow to death. Just trolling.

Posted by: Marco | Jan 21, 2010 10:19:51 AM

Just your the education of those who do not understand history. Hitler was a socialist progressive. He confiscated property from rich people and instituted national health care in Austria.

Hey, look where we've arrive in America! Can't tell fascism from socialism!!! So, socialism is in the act?!? Socialism is in the institutions those things are handed over to. Hitler handed it over to cronies and big corps. That's fascism. That's America.

I can't parse that first sentence of gibberish. Maybe cut the insulting tone until you can manage to spit it out right.

Chuck: This is off-topic, but I thought you would know/be interested in the answer. Is the Oregonian a C corp? I imagine that they have a lot of money in gross receipts, but are still not profitable, meaning that they would have been subjected to the $10 minimum, but would pay more under the measures. Is that right? If so, it might explain the Ed Board opinion and the front page ad...

To Marco and Leopard: Google "Godwin's Law," and then feel free to return to this discussion when you're ready to debate like adults.

To mp97303 and geoff: My wife (a state employee) recently had her STEP (merit-based) pay increase retroactively taken away and has to take 14 unpaid furlough days over the next two years. She's also not eligible for any cost of living increases during that period. In other words, our household has sacrificed a helluva lot more than either of these measures are asking 3% of the population to sacrifice.

I completely agree with the author`s opinion. May be Oregon's budget shortfall could be (at least partially) solved if only state employees took cuts to their pay and benefits.

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