What Did the Independent Vote Tell Us?

Jeff Alworth

I am not sure why I expected people to resist the temptation to over-read the results of two gubernatorial races on Tuesday.  Jon Corzine hasn't seen approval numbers north of 40% in over a year, and his loss in New Jersey seemed inevitable.  And Creigh Deeds had been trailing Robert McDonnell by double digits for months.  What could these two elections tell us except that unpopular candidates lose elections?  Fool that I am, I missed this ubiquitous narrative:

The answer came Tuesday night as Republican gubernatorial candidates swept to power in New Jersey and Virginia, with the help of large packs of self-described independents.

Exit polls circulating on the House floor Wednesday were even more unnerving to Democrats. The Republican candidates, the polls indicated, had received the votes of two-thirds of independent voters.

If you buy this much of the narrative, then the rest practically writes itself.  Independents are abandoning Dems, so the blue dogs should panic.  Obama's agenda has been dealt a serious blow. 

"There are going to be a lot more tensions between the White House and Congress," predicted Rep. Jim Cooper (D-Tenn.), a member of the Blue Dog Coalition of fiscally conservative Democrats. "They've been under the surface so far -- and they're going to come out in the open."

There's an obvious fallacy here, though.  People offering this analysis have assumed that "independent" is the same as "moderate," a person residing in that ideological netherworld between Democrat and Republican.  If you were to draw a spectrum showing this configuration (using Pollster.com's aggregate party ID numbers), it would look like this:

Wrong spectrum

But this is a silly mistake.  Independents aren't all moderate.  The Republican Party has been hemorrhaging members for years, and a lot of them are to the right of the party.  That's what that whole fracas in NY-23 was all about.  And there are independents to the left of the Democratic Party, too.  A more accurate graph would look something like this:

Right Spectrum

Those percentages of independent ideology are not actuals--but you get the point.  Ideology and party ID aren't the same thing. 

If the Democrats make the mistake of confusing independents for moderates (as Rep. Cooper did), they'll take away exactly the wrong lesson.  The independents who voted for Christie and McDonnell were erstwhile Republicans, ideologically more conservative than the party.  Democrats have no shot at these "independents."  The number of people in the middle hasn't changed substantially.  If anything, the center-right independents, disenchanted with the GOP for years, are feeling more disenchanted by the tea-party wing now than they were Tuesday.

The off-term election was indicative of nothing: two weak candidates got beat, just as many weak Democratic candidates got beat in '08 and '06.  The Dems need to stay on course, complete their ambitious agenda, and lure those independents who are in the middle.  Who knows, they might even manage to hang onto those liberal independents on their left.

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    Excellent post, Jeff. Absolutely.

    I also concur with the analysis by Ben Tribbet at FDL:

    In Virginia this year, one poll showed the percentage of the likely electorate under the age of 30 falling 70% from 2008–and the African American share of the vote falling 39% from 2008! That’s why virtually every poll has shown today’s likely electorate as having voted for John McCain by double digits over Barack Obama in Virginia last year–despite Virginia having voted almost exactly the reverse. Unfortunately for us, the Deeds campaign freaked out and read these polls wrong over the summer. Instead of attempting to energize more young and minority voters to the polls to make the electorate more representative of Virginia–they began running a campaign targeted to the people already planning to vote. Creigh began bashing federal Democratic priorities like "Cap and Trade" and health care reform to appeal to the conservatives that were headed to the polls. And every time he did it, polls indicated turnout shriveled even further among Democrats and progressive voters–making the electorate even older, whiter, and more conservative. To which Creigh responded to by bashing federal Democrats more–which resulted in even more progressives becoming disengaged. Over and over, the cycle continued. Over the last six weeks, PPP polls indicated the share of the electorate that identified as Democrats declined from 38% to 31%. In other words almost one out of every five self-identified Democrats planning to vote on Labor Day has since then looked at Creigh Deeds and his conservative message, and decided they weren’t voting. Ouch!
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    And of course there are independents scattered throughout the D and Rs on that spectrum. Some people just don't want to be labeled or feel the parties aren't right on. 538 has a good post on this issue as well.

  • Jason (unverified)
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    "The independents who voted for Christie and McDonnell were erstwhile Republicans, ideologically more conservative than the party. Democrats have no shot at these 'independents.'"

    Jeff,

    Where's the proof of this? Did you research the demographics of the voters in those states to find this out? Is there respectable information out there that provides validity to your assumptions?

    Just wondering.

  • LT (unverified)
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    Great line, Jeff: If the Democrats make the mistake of confusing independents for moderates (as Rep. Cooper did), they'll take away exactly the wrong lesson.

    I work part time as a tutor for high school students hoping to go to 4 year college. In one group yesterday, one student question was about the Progressives of 100 years ago: what did they stand for, who were they, did they have a utopian view.

    We talked about how Progressive was actually a 3rd party before WWI. A student asked, "Since they are usually between Republicans and Democrats, does that mean all people who don't register with one of the 2 parties is a progressive?". I answered no--with the example of the NY 23rd, how someone in a NY party called Conservative had knocked the Republican nominee off the ballot, so it became a contest between the Conservative and the Democrat and the Democrat won in a district which had been Republican for a very long time.

    Not everyone registers in a party when they turn 18, stays with that party for a lifetime, and never changes.

    There are those of us who have at some time been registered R, D, NAV (or 3rd party).

    "Independents believe" is about the stupidest remark ever to come out of the mouth of a pundit or pollster. Everyone who registers non-affiliated or otherwise outside the 2 should have the right to say "The I in Independent means I think for myself, thank you very much". Maybe they are just sick and tired of partisanship.

    In other words, these folks are not a bloc. They might vote for someone who inspires them, impresses them with a solution-oriented approach, or for the opponent of someone who runs nasty ads, or someone who says something that makes sense to them. They might vote for someone who is a friend of a friend--or a friend is working on the campaign.

    Pollsters have a tough time quantifying these folks--tough luck.

    These are the folks, for instance, who might think many current Republicans are stupid but might have voted for Frank Morse for Gov. These are the folks who might not like one party or the other but if their neighbor or someone they grew up with is running for local or legislative office they might get involved in a campaign because they know the person.

  • marv (unverified)
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    Jane Hamsher's view of what is happening to the political disaster that the Democrats are supporting is far more on target. Yes, it is Rahm who is reeming us. With timid folks unable to correctly identify the on target evaluations hoping to continue the majority so that they can design campaigns; outcomes will be bleak in 2010.

    Republicans will vote heartily for Democrats because they see that the Dems are doing their bidding. More of the Clinton team. Heroin production and war's feeding frenzy will continue. Obama is a disaster for hope and change. But a real boon to crime and continued corruption.

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    Great analysis, Jeff. And a fantastic graph. A couple of comments:

    • Independents broke 2-1 for Republicans in both gubernatorial races. Though it is true that there is a significant growth of independent voters to the right of the GOP, that growth would still not fully explain the shift away from these Democratic candidates, given that 48 percent of independents went for Obama in Virginia in 2008, and more than 50 percent went for him in New Jersey.
    • Independents broke for the Democratic candidate in NY-23.
    • The results of these elections are not "nothing". Voters are seriously concerned about the economy, and unless things change for the better between now and 2010, incumbents on both sides are likely to experience some surprises.
  • Jake Leander (unverified)
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    For sure non-affiliated voters are not all the same politically. But a simpler analysis of the NJ and VA may suffice. Party members are more likely to stick with their candidate, be he tainted with scandal or running a poor campaign, than are non-affiliated voters.

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    One other comment:

    I track shifts in voter registration for the Independent Party. In terms of people re-registering as Independent Party members, we get approximately 3 Republicans for every 2 Democrats. Since October of 2007, 5147 former Republicans joined the party, compared with 3432 Democrats.

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    Jason and Sal, you are right to press me for the numbers. There's no way to know exactly how these things map out. It's clear that there is a growing group on the GOP's right that, for lack of better designation, get called "independents."

    Here's something more substantial:

    While a major storyline coming out of Tuesday’s results has been that skittish moderates abandoned Obama and fled to the GOP out of concerns over rising deficits, there is little evidence in exit polls to support that. Of Obama voters who showed up in Virginia Tuesday, only 12% slid to Republican Bob McDonnell, according to exit polls. With John McCain’s 2008 voters defecting to Deeds at a 5% rate in the same surveys, the net trickle away from Obama is hardly enough to explain, or even substantially contribute to, McDonnell’s 59% to 41% trouncing of Democrat Creigh Deeds.

    The numbers from NJ apparently didn't include the question about voting in 2008. I guess my analysis is that the biggest factors in both races were the candidates. Two races isn't enough of a sample size to begin to understand whether there's a change happening. (Though when you consider that there are two more Dems in Congress now than there were last week, it changes the picture.)

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    This would be a more accurate way to frame the above sentence. "I guess my analysis is that the biggest factors in both races were the candidates, not the voters."

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    Jeff - I think you've done a fantastic job of analyzing the constituencies that make up independent voters. My biggest takeaway is that voters are very concerned about the economy and they will support candidates who provide them with a credible gameplan for how to address it.

    The biggest concerns for Democrats in 2010 will be turning out first time Obama voters, improving the economy, and addressing the budget deficit. For Republicans, it will be to find candidates who can work in coalition with the conservative movement without alienating general election voters.

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    Considering the fact that governor races rarely have a connection with national party issues the analysis of the pundits and reporters for the Washington Post and NY Times is breathtakingly stupid. The key element in both NJ and VA is that the Democratic candidates were flawed and chased away Democratic voters and Independents that lean toward Democrats. The voters did not make a connection between Obama and Deeds or Corzine. The voters that voted in VA this week also voted for McCain. They were not the ones that elected Obama.

    There were four real lessons from this election obvious to anyone but the DC pundits.

    1. Conservatives at the state level can win if they are pragmatic and talk about solving real local issues not Obama's birth certificate.
    2. Incumbents that do a lousy job, are not good politicans, and turn people off (Corzine) lose elections.
    3. Tea party wing nuts have trouble winning elections even in Republican districts.
    4. If Democratic candidates do not motivate Democratic voters they don't show up.
  • graph skeptic (unverified)
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    " A more accurate graph would look something like this:"--Jeff

    I don't think your graph is at all accurate. From example 2, it looks like Democrats are to the right of Liberal..?
    I think the current Democrat party is left / left center of "Liberal".

  • Jake Leander (unverified)
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    I think the current Democrat party is left / left center of "Liberal".

    Just goes to show you, people will think all kinds of things.

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    As Steve Benen points out, Congressional Democrats gained two more members on Tuesday--which seems to slap back the meme that there is a GOP renaissance on the rise:

    http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2009_11/020814.php

    Benen: This doesn't seem especially complicated. Voters handed Democrats a huge majority, not to sit on their hands, but to deliver on their agenda. A year from now, lawmakers will have to tell their constituents something about how (and whether) they took advantage of the opportunity. Do any of these vulnerable incumbents seriously think they're better off with a depressed, unmotivated base and a short list of legislative accomplishments? Dems fared well in 2008 when young, minority, urban, and suburban Democrats and independents turned out in droves. Does the party think they'll thrive if these folks stay home?

    If Dems had lost the special elections, the weak knees would be easier to understand. But this year, given a choice, voters sent more Democrats to the Hill, giving the party a better chance at passing its agenda.

    The party should take "yes" for an answer.

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    Jeff, i concur with the hearty congrats. i would label the center group "swing indies" however.

    what happened Tuesday shows the importance of GOTV: Dems generally do worse in low turnout. that's one reason that they are doing so well in Oregon: we get high turnouts consistently with vote-by-mail. it appears to be a reason Owens won in NY23: the SEIU & unions got Dems to the polls. those people in the middle are going to bounce back-and-forth forever until they decide to have a mind of their own, to get informed about the issues, to take responsibility for government beyond voting superficially and almost arbitrarily (not that i have an opinion of those people....) those who have a strong GOTV will get those votes, because many of those votes go to the last group to talk to them. it's sad & stupid, but it's a fact (such as facts are).

  • geoffludt (unverified)
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    It's interesting when instead of party identification (a fairly blunt instrument) folks are asked to identify by ideology ... conservatives CRUSH liberals.

    Here's a gallup link:

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/123854/Conservatives-Maintain-Edge-Top-Ideological-Group.aspx

    Your poll is interesting as it is an aggregate but, sort of asks a dull question.

  • Buckman Res (unverified)
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    The off-term election was indicative of nothing:”

    Flawed analysis.

    You’re just whistling past the graveyard if you don’t recognize this as a direct repudiation of the overreaching by Dems in Congress and a demonstrative lack of clout by BHO, particularly in the NJ race. Barrack made 5 visits there trying to bolster Corzine’s chances and accomplished squat.

    The election also points out how the Dem’s dismissivness towards those opposed to their programs has come back to bite them. Dems derided “Teabaggers” as fringe kooks when it turned out they represent a significant segment of Independent voters.

    If they don’t take steps to reign in their current agenda, reset their priorities to focus on the economy, and move to the political center, they will lose their majorities in Congress next year.

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    Jeff, great post. Loved the graph.

    I agree with John Calhoun on all four lessons learned and with Sal Peralta's comment that "Voters are seriously concerned about the economy, and unless things change for the better between now and 2010, incumbents on both sides are likely to experience some surprises."

    I don't think the economy is going to improve much by the 2010 elections, so trouble ahead for incumbents. We need another stimulus, which we probably cannot get enacted.

    Throwing out incumbents may become a theme for some time. We as a nation have been living beyond our means, and not sharing the benefits very equally. That's ending. After we get out of the recession, reducing our budget deficits will be a top priority. The public is not ready for some of the hard economic choices ahead. Neither left nor right, Democrats nor Republicans, IMHO, wants to approach the American public with what's necessary: cutting programs, increasing taxes, getting out of Iraq and Afghanistan (because we can't afford either), and raising the price of gas and other carbon products. What we need to do is not popular. We're politically stuck. Our interest group politics do not help. I see some period of instability (as we keeping turning incumbents out because reality does not improve) until we find our way out.

    And, of course, voters are much more nuanced than a one dimensional, left to right spread. Plus parties are coalitions, and one can always be unhappy with partners in a coalition (as I am with some in the Democratic coalition).

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    ou’re just whistling past the graveyard if you don’t recognize this as a direct repudiation of the overreaching by Dems in Congress and a demonstrative lack of clout by BHO, particularly in the NJ race. Barrack made 5 visits there trying to bolster Corzine’s chances and accomplished squat.

    And the fact that the Republicans lost TWO House seats, bringing health care reform closer to reality? That's just the GOP having an off House night?

  • Dave O'Dell (unverified)
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    An even more accurate graph would look something like this:

    <-Liberal-----------Moderate-----------Conservative-> <-Democrats---------------------------> <-------------Republicans---> <-Independents-Independents-Independents-Independents----->

    Great post.

  • Dave O'Dell (unverified)
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    Oops, except with the Republicans over to the right.

  • Kurt Chapman (unverified)
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    Jeff, I think that the independent vote told us little about the Obama administrstion and how they are percieved. The votes did confirm that younger voters have a very low attention span and commitment to the political process. When they get disallusioned they stay home. when older voters get that way they go out and vote.

    Remembering that one fact will be important in 2010.

  • Buckman Res (unverified)
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    ...bringing health care reform closer to reality?”

    Health care reform?! Are you serious? The bills up for consideration now do absolutely nothing to curb the costs of medical procedures or hospital stays.

    Call them the “Health Insurance Industry Stimulus Bills” for how they will line the pockets of insurers by mandating coverage.

    If this is the best the Dems can do I can see why there’s populist anger in the air.

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    Barrack made 5 visits there trying to bolster Corzine’s chances and accomplished squat.

    That's a data-free bit of analysis. What leads you to believe this? Corzine's approval was 38% at the time of the election and he drew 45% of the vote. I could just as easily assert (consulting, like you, no data), that it looks like Obama was worth seven points. Which would be a hell of a lot of juice. Please show your work.

    The votes did confirm that younger voters have a very low attention span and commitment to the political process.

    Really? Show me where they confirm that.

  • steve (unverified)
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    The election also points out how the Dem’s dismissivness towards those opposed to their programs has come back to bite them. Dems derided “Teabaggers” as fringe kooks when it turned out they represent a significant segment of Independent voters.

    Non-sequiter of the year. Teabaggers are not just fringe kooks, they are angry white losers - people of low intelligence and low socio-economic status who have not succeeded, are angry about it, and will readily blame someone else for their failure. They are easily manipulated by demagogues who specialize in herding morons.

    Very few of these people can afford to live in New Jersey. Christie is a Republican, but he will not be a favorite of the teabagger group, which is why he got a lot of votes from independents who used to be Republicans when that party admitted thinking people.

  • Buckman Res (unverified)
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    That's a data-free bit of analysis. What leads you to believe this?

    Oh, I don’t know, maybe the fact that NJ went from +15 for the Dems in ‘08 to -4 in ‘09, or that Indys who went for BHO in ‘08 went for the Repub by 30 points in ‘09.

    Yea, I’d call that evidence of a lack of clout on the presidents part. And don’t think Dems in Congress up for re-election next year don’t know it.

  • Rick (unverified)
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    I am a bit surprised, but not much, by the dismissal of the losses of the Dems here. It is natural, of course. But I do think it is denial, and not reality, to say that it is "indicative of nothing".

    I think the bravado shown by the Dems is a bit arrogant and pretty naive. The same arrogance and naivety that the Repubs showed when they abandoned their constituents and then lost their power.

    Remember, prior to the last presidential election, we had:

    An unpopular president An unpopular war An unpopular party A relatively poor Repub candidate A continuing economic decline An amazingly charismatic, young black candidate

    And yet, the Dem candidate won by just 53% of the vote. Doesn't that concern the Dems? I think it should!

    The middle 20%, or independents, do matter, a great deal. Change 4% of the voters minds, and the power swings the other way.

    Perhaps the "teabaggers" and "astroturfers" and the other people alienated by the left are more important, and less worth dismissing. Seriously worth thinking about.

  • Bob Tiernan (unverified)
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    Jeff Alworth:

    Corzine's approval was 38% at the time of the election and he drew 45% of the vote.

    Bob T:

    Approval rating doesn't equal intent to vote for. Corzine received votes from many people who felt he was doing a lousy job but they didn't want a Republican governor. There are also incumbents with better than 50% approval ratings who lose because many people who vote against them admit thatm yeah, he's doing okay, but I think the challenger will be better.

    Jeff Alworth:

    I could just as easily assert...that it looks like Obama was worth seven points.

    Bob T:

    Nah -- in the end lots of people who were leaning toward the third candidate realized they were not serious and these votes started breaking off to the two main candidates. Twinkle-Toes had little, if anything, to do with it. No water-bottle tossing stuff -- that won't work again.

    Bob Tiernan Portland

  • Bob Tiernan (unverified)
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    Jason:

    "The independents who voted for Christie and McDonnell were erstwhile Republicans, ideologically more conservative than the party. Democrats have no shot at these 'independents.'"

    Jeff,

    Where's the proof of this? Did you research the demographics of the voters in those states to find this out? Is there respectable information out there that provides validity to your assumptions?

    Just wondering.

    Bob T:

    These two ran against each other before, and went neck and neck. Deeds did that w/o an Obama aura around, and should have been able to do it again. But he didn't. Perhaps he didn't distance himself enough from Twinkle-Toes.

    Bob Tiernan Portland

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