Word on the street: Stand For Children to endorse Collymore for HD 43
Carla Axtman
My rumor mill is buzzing tonight with news on the efforts to replace Chip Shields, who is newly sworn-in to the Oregon Senate.
As I hear it, the grassroots education powerhouse organization Stand For Children is ready to endorse almost-State Senator and probable candidate for Shields' former House seat, Karol Collymore.
Community activist Lew Frederick has also tossed his hat into the ring.
[Addendum from Kari: Also, Eddie Lincoln is an announced candidate who blogged on BlueOregon last month. In addition, two other candidates - Steve Adamson and Catherine Thomasson - have guest columns going up shortly.]
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10:20 p.m.
Oct 6, '09
this would be unfortunate, not because Karol isn't great (she is) but because Lew is equally deserving of support. the only reason to endorse one candidate over the other is that you believe the one will support your cause so much more strongly and effectively. can they really believe Lew Frederick won't bust his ass for the kids of Oregon, Portland & HD 43? as a member of the Bus Project Board, Lew was one who, in 2008, decided that the Bus should partner with SFC. if they really believe he either cares less about the kids of his district or would not be able to advocate for them, then they are one messed-up organization.
this would be a really foolish step on their part, so i hope it's just a rumor & nothing more. it would be hard to support an organization that could exercise such bad judgment.
10:42 p.m.
Oct 6, '09
the only reason to endorse one candidate over the other is that you believe the one will support your cause so much more strongly and effectively.
True that.
11:14 p.m.
Oct 6, '09
This rallying around Collymore is approaching travesty proportions.
11:21 p.m.
Oct 6, '09
I respect the group Stand for Children and I think it speaks volumes about Karol's ability to organize grassroots support that she received their endorsement. I agree with TJ that Lew Fredrick would work incredibly hard for children, Portland and HD 43. If he is appointed, I know he will be a great addition to the Democratic caucus and I would look forward to working with him. Lew is a member of the Bus Project Board and has a long and solid resume of public service and work with the Democratic Party. If Karol wasn't in the race, he would have my support. However, what Karol brings is the ability to organize at a grassroots level and approach solutions from a different perspective. Her appointment would also bring us one seat closer to having a gender balance in the legislature that reflects the demographics of our state.
The mission of Stand for Children is "to use the power of grassroots action to help all children get the excellent public education and strong support they need to thrive." Karol is a powerful young woman with a proven record of successfully engaging and organizing people at the local level towards achieving common progressive goals. She has done great work with NARAL, Planned Parenthood and Basic Rights Oregon. Given the Stand for Children mission and the fact that there are two candidates who will bring a strong commitment to fighting for the best interests of Oregon's children, it makes sense that Stand would support the candidate who has the most experience with basic, feet on the street, grassroots organizing.
11:35 p.m.
Oct 6, '09
For the record, I think that both Lew and Karol should be nominated on the slate put forward to the County Commissioners by the PCP's in HD 43. They are both well qualified and should have the opportunity to rise to the next level.
Oct 7, '09
I agree with t.a. on this. Karol is a great rising star, however SFC should not be so one-dimensional. For their goals to be met, SFC must also advocate for a strong state-wide business sector.
Unfortunately, Karol has previously stated that she has given little thought to how to assist in strengthening the state's business community. This should be a huge concern.
Oct 7, '09
Senator Chip Shields, who's been the district 43 Representative for years to great effect and knows the district, our needs and the legislature very well, has endorsed Lew Frederick.
This speaks volumes.
Ms. Collymore is a rising star, she is up and coming, but the legislature is no place for on the job training, and I imagine Senator Shields understands that the best advocate for the interests of the 43rd and the interests of Oregonians is someone with a long track record of success and service in the district, a deep understanding of the issues, and an ability to get things done in Salem this February.
That person is Lew Frederick.
We should have a great slate of nominees coming out of the convention next week - almost certainly including both Karol and Lew.
I hope the Commissioners realize in the end that experience counts, and 30+ years in the district, 3200+ doors knocked on in the district, an election won in the district in 2006, and three decades of public service in the community (as a teacher, a reporter, with PPS, and on the State Board of Ed.) sets Lew apart as the one candidate who not only has a vision for our community and our state, but is ready to advance it effectively in Salem.
This should be an easy choice for the party and for the Board of Commissioners. We have extremely important work to do in January defending the revenue measures, in February in the legislature and throughout 2010. Hopefully we don't have to blow $100,000 Democratic dollars fighting over this seat in the primary...
8:29 a.m.
Oct 7, '09
I like Lew, he's a good guy and would probably be great in the job. But I think this comment thread is doing a grave disservice to Karol.
I don't have a declared candidate and this is not my district...but Karol is more than capable of doing an excellent job representing the district in the House. She's wicked smart, extremely good at collaboration and works her ass off.
Not only is this NOT an easy choice, it shouldn't be. Anyone who so easily dismisses Karol and her formidable abilities for this job is doing so either because they don't know her or made the mistake of "picking a horse" too early.
Lew and Karol would both be good in this position.
Oct 7, '09
It is certainly not my intention dismiss Carol as a viable candidate and someone who has done and can do great things.
That said, as someone who's lived the better part of my life in this district, Lew Frederick is the easy, clear choice for me.
N/NE Portland has changed a lot in recent years, and while I welcome the new energy that's arrived to Portland since it became so "cool," I'd feel much more comfortable with a representative in Salem who's seen the changes we've undergone and can relate that history to our present and our future. I'm confident that Lew has the long view, a deep understanding of how economic development has (and hasn't) worked here, and a vision for how to make our community and local economy thrive for all it's residents.
I'm impressed by Karol. Matter of fact, I'm sure sooner or later I'll be supporting her candidacy for something, maybe even knocking on doors for her, but that time will come when she is not just a good candidate in the race, but the best candidate in the race.
Oct 7, '09
Carla, I'm not in the 43rd either. They are fortunate to have such great choice. Others are merely pointing out why SFC "may" have been a bit premature in making their endorsement.
Oct 7, '09
Can't fault her the "rally 'round" thing. That's all identity politics is! Don't confuse semiotics with verbal litmus tests. It's not what language means, but how it makes you feel, first and foremost, for that crowd. Far from being a sideshow, that kind of identity politics is bread and butter to mainstream Dems, and more and more, Reps as well.
Conclusion: she's running a solid, Dem campaign. You're going to have to go minor party if that's not enough substance. Put simply, one must ask, "Ever read her stuff here? What the hell did you expect?!?"
10:33 a.m.
Oct 7, '09
I'm not in the district, either, but I think that it's a gift to Oregon that someone like Karol, with so much enthusiasm, experience, talent and potential, would even agree to lend her presence to the dolldrums of the legislature. I applaud Stand for Children.
Oh, and my kids endorse her, too.
Oct 7, '09
I am in 43, and I want to support the most progressive candidate. I asked over in the thread on Lew, but all that I saw there was vague, sloganeering, drivel about honor, tenacity, experience, blah, blah, blah. Same so far on Karol. I could go back and read all of her stuff here, but I just don't have the stomach for it. Can anyone who knows their politics give a quick summary, and tell me who is more progressive? (And if you mean to reply to my question, please don't yammer on about "enthusiasm, experience, talent and potential" for example--those are all important, but tell me nada about their politics.)
11:38 a.m.
Oct 7, '09
Posted by: Lord Beaverbrook | Oct 7, 2009 10:23:42 AM
Nonsense. Having The Oregonian endorse someone, who wasn't even running for a seat that wasn't even vacant yet, combined with some other eye-opening plays at the convention, have nothing to do with "identity politics" (a tired clichéd term if ever there was one) and everything to do with back-room knife fighting and what appears to some, the hints of a proto-political machine it the making.
And to be clear, I don't fault Karol for this. For all I know, she may not even be aware she is being a chess piece in this game.
Oct 7, '09
I'm not looking for the most "progressive"; unfortunately that title is doesn't guarantee anything. I'm looking for someone who has the energy and passion to hit the ground running, and who can represent, verbalize, and debate our issues. After looking at Karol's background, I believe she can.
"Ms. Collymore is a rising star, she is up and coming, but the legislature is no place for on the job training..."
Excuse me, but doesn't EVERYONE who is elected for the first time get on the job training? Why is it that it is assumed that she will need it and no one else has or will?
Karol has great relevant experience and is knowledgeable of our state politics.
Oct 7, '09
Does every new legislator get on the job training? Yes.
But Lew has been working in the realm of Oregon politics for three decades, and he's been an active member in the many communities that comprise the 43rd district that whole time, so I'll stand by the assertion that in terms of relevant experience, there is a huge difference between Lew and Karol.
1:59 p.m.
Oct 7, '09
@Alex Tinker, I've only been alive three decades so I can't really compete with Lew on that level...
@chris#12, I'm sorry you don't have the stomach to read back on my past Blue O posts, but that will clearly tell you where I stand on several issues.
@lestatdelc, I have no idea of the machine of which you speak - you are right with that assumption. I got in the race, I've worked without a net, I've interviewed fair and square and people like what I have to say. I hope that is enough but I know conspiracies are more interesting.
These are great comments and I appreciate all of you weighing in, even if you don't support me for this position.
Oct 7, '09
I was thinking how we refuse to honor and welcome "new blood" and represent those who are not of the known guard as somehow callow.
Can you hear yourselves talking? Yes, I know we need people who will show up with it, no dinking around! But since when is it our thing to shut out ta;ent?
Oct 7, '09
You're 100% right (as usual) rw. But it's kind of like, do you hold family to the same standards as friends? I do. And for my money, her pieces have not been what I call progressive.
As a follower of BO, I'm thrilled at local talent rising. As a progressive I'm unimpressed. Felt the same way about Jeni, FWIW. Not that that was as much of a choice.
Mr. Novick, on the other hand, is an entirely different kettle of fish.
6:55 p.m.
Oct 7, '09
Posted by: Karol | Oct 7, 2009 1:59:09 PM
Ok, I'll take you at your word that you don't know what I am talking about and leave it at that.
7:15 p.m.
Oct 7, '09
@lestatdelc I appreciate that. I get scolded on all sides (and I'm sure Lew does as well) with all theories and most of the time I wish it would just be directly asked. I think both of us would tell the truth.
Oct 8, '09
Karol--I'll go read some of your old posts, but I'm kind of lazy. Can you direct me to one or two that really show what you're all about? And how about you just tell me if you think you are more progressive than Lew? And is it just the two of you at this point?
Thanks!
7:29 a.m.
Oct 8, '09
@chris#12, I will not speak for Lew. I think he can share whether he feels he's more or less progressive. I've worked for Pro-Choice Oregon protecting womens' rights to choose and worked and still volunteer for Basic Rights Oregon fighting for equality in for the GLBT community. I think school lottery is unfair to poor kids and kids of color and should be ended. I think we should be charged more taxes so that everyone can have health care.
I also believe in being open and welcoming to other ideas even if they aren't my own or don't reflect my beliefs.
I don't know if that fits your definition of progressive, but there it is.
9:50 a.m.
Oct 8, '09
"Posted by: Karol | Oct 8, 2009 7:29:09 AM I think school lottery is unfair to poor kids and kids of color and should be ended. "
School lottery?
Explain please.
Oct 8, '09
I like Lew personally, and it's obvious he'd hit the ground running. And Karol offers a "new guard" perspective that's needed in Salem.
Really, we've got an embarrassment of riches to choose from here.
I'm glad I don't have to choose!
Oct 8, '09
Steve - thanks for that comment. I hope everyone in the 43rd district and the Democratic party for that matter is very pleased to see that we have a LOT of talent in our community. (As I've said, Lew is an easy choice for me, not because the other candidates aren't solid too.)
lestatdelc - I'm pretty sure "school lottery" refers to the system by which students out of district can enter into lotteries to get slots in magnet schools. What it means is that there are public schools that are much better than other public schools (at least in some objective ways), and the kids in those neighborhoods, who are generally more affluent and/or whiter, get first dibs at them. Us kids in NEP, on the other hand, just get to hope we "win" the lottery. I was fortunate enough to win the lottery and got to attend a Spanish Immersion program at Ainsworth Elementary even though I grew up right next to Vernon.
Karol - right on for raising the issue of the unfairness of the school lottery. What would you do to make this system more fair?
Oct 8, '09
Chris 12, that's not the right way to foster collaborative relating within like-minded folks, asking her to say why she is MORE progressive than this other perfectly good person.
If you phrase your question more in terms of telling you where she has specific departures from points of Lew's you would be showing a mindset that does not equate more, less, better, worse, but, simply "Different, and how so?"
Oct 8, '09
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Oct 8, '09
Stand for Children does a good job in working for children in the legislature. But when it comes to helping out schools in Portland which are struggling, ones with children who are not sons or daughters of their well-to-do members they are pretty much worthless. I have no trouble with them supporting the more well-to-do schools and communities in Portland, but their endorsements need to be taken in that light. For me, and people interested in making all of Portland's schools work, their endorsement means ZIP.
Oct 8, '09
How about a debate? All these appointments are a little too smoky back room for me. It's getting to be like judicial appointments - all appointments and incumbency, with few honest primaries where the candidates face off. Competition is good for the party.
Oct 8, '09
rw--and I suppose your telling me what's right and how I'm not is a better way of fostering collaborative relating?
Maybe it's because I'm not one of the "like-minded folks" you describe. If you had read my previous rants around here, you'd know that I'm not a big fan of the Democratic party or timid liberalism in general, which is what Blue Oregon seems to mostly be about, despite the "progressives 'round the water cooler" description.
Anyway, Karol, thanks for the response. I like the "more taxes so everyone can have health care" part the most. Would you support a single payer system?
As far as others who are running, Catherine Thomasson is pretty progressive. Although she's probably not a contender (since she is white--am I allowed to say that here, rw?), she is a peace activist and leader of Physicians for Social Responsibility.
Oct 8, '09
Chris, I'm just saying that inviting ppl always to vaunt themselves more or better than someone else is exactly the pathology we all abhor around here, you too. I know you want someone who is deep in their values. But I'm sure you woudl hate it if someone proclaimed themselves a better progressive than you, or a better man or something.
I am not meaning to pick at you, but calling out the linguistic underpinnings of our collective thought process that keeps all the anomie and fighting going.
Sounds like this is a matter of counterbalances and choosing.
9:28 a.m.
Oct 9, '09
"I think school lottery is unfair to poor kids and kids of color and should be ended."
As a former school board member, I wonder what you mean by this. That we should end special focus programs? That we should go back to requiring that kids attend their neighborhood schools? (Would that be better for "poor kids and kids of color"?) That we should use some other method for choosing who gets into a program when there are more applicants than openings? Do you know how NCLB requirements affect this system? Do you know how enrollment and transfer works in the Portland district, why those policies came about, or what the alternatives are? (I assume that's the district you're talking about; districts make their own within-district enrollment and transfer policies.) Or was that just a throw-away line, because you see the school district as an easy target?
(It's actually the lack of funded transportation that makes distant schools of choice less accessible to poor families, not the method of allocating openings.)
And what would you do about it as a legislator? Do you think the legislature should take over enrollment and transfer policies from local school boards?
Oct 9, '09
Good question, Sue! Karol?
11:25 a.m.
Oct 9, '09
Exactly Sue. I was hoping the Karol would have responded to me question asking for explanation about what she meant. Maybe she has a different take or explanation on what she was referring to and what she meant. But it set of alarm bells in my head that maybe, she doesn't know what she is talking about and popping off at a easy strawman with a cartoon villain mustache in order to sound like a "progressive" without understanding the actual issues at hand, or more importantly the role of the job she is seeking to be appointed to which is in State LEGISLATURE (not the Portland School Board) which is in Salem. An institution and a city neither of which she has even visited to date, let alone interacted with.
While the above may seem like a harsh attack, it isn't to run Karol down. She has great potential if she bones up on policy, and jurisdictional nuts and bolts of our various Governments and the interaction therein. But we need someone who knows their shit form day one. Particularly with the brutal and difficult next session which will be a bare knuckle fight to the death because of budgetary cuts and scares resources facing the next leg.
I say that in all seriousness as an unapologetic liberal Democrat. We can;t blame the big bad GOP for anything now that we control almost every level of the state. We need competence when we have the wheel.
11:55 a.m.
Oct 9, '09
@lestatdelc and @sue Yes, I mean we should end the transfer option and create a more effective neighborhood schools program. To me, there is no reason to allow kids to go to school - many times far from where they live - in other districts and take the money with them to those other schools. If we want to make our schools better, let's start with the distibution of funds. The only way to maintain some equality in that is to keep kids in their neighborhood schools. Don't you worry about the kids left behind at the schools the neighbor kids didnt' go to?
That said, I'd like to see a neighborhood schools program that is expanded with larger clusters so there are more elementary and middle schools in the mix for the main high school. We can start think about how we offer some of the very innovative options in all districts. Do I have the miracle answer? Of course not and no one does. But I have ideas as does every other candidate in this race. We need to start making kids the priority and ensuring they all have an equal chance to succeed. The kids left behind are suffering; and don't think they don't realize what's happening to them. They do.
I can only respond on breaks, thanks for understanding that.
2:56 p.m.
Oct 9, '09
Karol:
Thanks for the lecture about "start making kids the priority...." After raising two children who went to Portland Public Schools, spending eight years a single mom on the school board and years before and after that in both advocacy and advisory groups, I definitely need some help with this.
What do you mean when you use the word "district"? It's hard to tell what you're talking about because "Portland" and "David Douglas" are districts, "Wilson" and "Jefferson" are not.
Again, do you propose taking enrollment and transfer authority away from local districts and creating a statewide mandate regarding neighborhood schools? How do charter schools fit into that? Should Oregon repeal charters (defying the Obama administration)? Eliminate district-run programs of choice, but keep charters?
"We can start think about how we offer some of the very innovative options in all districts." Do you mean you think nobody's thought of that before? Ideas are nice, but without at least a little context you're just talking through your hat.
There are indeed inequality issues in Portland Public Schools, some of them worse in recent years, some truly offensive. I don't see here an indication that you know what they are, and so it worries me that you would take aim without knowing your target.
4:05 p.m.
Oct 9, '09
@sue I'm not going to engage with you if you are going to attack me. I'm sure you are a great mother and I can't imagine it was easy being on your own and I think anyone who knows me knows none of that was directed at you personally and your life situation that I knew nothing about. I mistyped when I wrote "districts," I meant clusters.
I also know you are a strong Lew supporter so I imagine you don't want me to win. That's OK, everyone has a side. But the main point is we are democrats and should at some level be on the same side. I have ideas, as does every other candidate in this process. Feel free to malign me, but make it clear that you have a dog in this fight.
2:41 a.m.
Oct 10, '09
"Posted by: Karol | Oct 9, 2009 4:05:57 PM
@sue I'm not going to engage with you if you are going to attack me"
Good grief. You consider that an "attack"...? (shakes head)
Yes, we Democrats are metaphorically kicking your tires a bit to see how solid your chops are on policy and are finding your statements to be extremely shaky to say the least. Particularly when you are putting forward nonsense "shoot form the hip" statements about transfer enrollments which amount to Salem overriding local school board authority (for starters). If you consider that unfair and "attacking you", then turning around and playing the victim because it is coming from Democrats, wait until you meet the Republicans who will eat your lunch for you.
This fight coming our way over the priorities for the State in a serious economic crisis is way too serious to afford us the luxury to look the other way when our side is not being bullet-proof when it comes to the basics, let alone policy details.
I mean this sincerely, I want to see you grow in the party, and get to the point where I can support you for elected office without reservation, but this is not the time nor the place to sing kumbaya and gloss over what is becoming apparent to me that someone is not ready for the position they seek. Not now, not at this level.
Oct 10, '09
I am a big fan of Lew's, but it is not correct to get all over Karol for her comments on the schools. Basically, she is correct and her ideas hold water. Few people in this city have followed the schools closer than I over a period of the last 35 years and the two poiints she makes are very real. 1) Lower economic neighborhood kids get a far worse education than upper economic kids in Portland and there are many things that could be done to change that (see my last two political campaign brochures and voter pamphlet statements for a primer on that) and 2) Poorer neighborhoods in PPS have been stripped of middle school opportunities while more middle class neighborhoods have not (while the first statement I made is opinion this last one is fact).
Few people actually even know who is on the Portland School Board let alone follow school politics so knowledge in this area can hardly be used as a test of whether or not you are ready for the legislature. (Lew obviously knows this area better than Karol would since he spent years working for the district.) Karol may not have the minute specifics down, but she has the right attitudes which is a lot more than can be said for most of the people who have spent the last few years on the PPS School Board itself.
Oct 10, '09
Good comment Steve. The fanatics above are akin to abortion voters. If Karol is not quizzqueen on thier pet issue, they feel justified in climbing all over her here. As if this makes them wonks... oy.
Why not choose something that is absolutely karol's strong suit and then drag Lew around up here likewise? Just for parity's sake?
As I said, this is the kind of thought process that invites animousities and competition primarily built from the most base drives of the ego.
Let's have slightly higher levels of discourse, shall we?