Glad no one was hurt.

Still wondering why DeFazio won't make an announcement about running for Governor. I doubt he will now that Kitzhaber is running, but why wait so long???

I have an airtight alibi!

"f this wasn't just a random act of hooliganism, the person or persons shooting may just as easily have been expressing outrage at the federal courts or even the federal government generally as at Congressman DeFazio or his office."

This isn't an example of someone expressing "outrage" at the federal government; it's an act of domestic terrorism and an attempt at political intimidation, and it's fostered by the entertainers in right wing media who unceasingly feed the paranoia of the far-right. When you have commentators telling folks that the President is a Marxist, and that the federal government about to invoke "death panels" ought we be surprised when someone takes a few shots at a federal building?

Why don't we wait until the FBI finishes its investigation before blaming any segment of the population for what happened? Is that too much to ask?

If it wasn't wingnuts, I'll eat the slugs. Any number of wingnuts likely advocated as much, or bragged about toting firearms to TEA protests, just this week. That's political freedom. Meanwhile, any Arab male passing airport security is a possible terrorist. Hypocrisy kills. Fishing expedition traffic stops, "safety checks", will likely be in full force this week-end. Any TEA party been subject to search with metal detectors or bomb sniffing dogs? Like some of the wingnuts have bragged, it's their gov, not ours. You'd think they'd appreciate it a bit.

Meanwhile, Pastor Rick Warren and his dirty little minions can give aid, comfort and positive spin to the Woodburn bank bombers, and none of the charges leveled at madrasahs are directed at him. When tax revenues are dearly needed, we give him a break. Progressive Oregon's response? "We're gonna waste 'em" (the Woodburn bombers). Oh. That puts society to rights again.

"An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind". But then, our vision was never particularly good to begin with.

Shooting at federal courthouses, lynching census takers, assassination threats on the life of the president, what's next for the tea-baggers, nitrogen fertilizer bombs on federal buildings ?

Shooting at federal courthouses, lynching a census taker in Kentucky, threatened assassination of the president of the United States, what's next for the tea-baggers, nitrogen fertilizer truck bombs on federal buildings?

Maybe the details of the Health Bill are finally being realized by the sedated masses in Eugene?

"it's fostered by the entertainers in right wing media who unceasingly feed the paranoia of the far-right"

Wow, that's a pretty big jump. In addition, it helps to avoid any sane discussion of issues that affect all of us. How do you feel about the people who shot at Lou Dobbs?

Posted by Jack Roberts:

"While any bullets flying here in Eugene are disconcerting to say the least (this isn't Portland, after all!), anyone who is familiar with our federal courthouse probably knows that it is unlikely that whoever was shooting knew which office windows were being hit.

If this wasn't just a random act of hooliganism, the person or persons shooting may just as easily have been expressing outrage at the federal courts or even the federal government generally as at Congressman DeFazio or his office."

Huh?

"anyone ... knows that it is unlikely that whoever was shooting knew which office windows were being hit." I'm sure it wouldn't be hard to figure out which window is which- why is this "unlikely"? If is wasn't random, then I would say it is likely they knew where they aimed.

Then Jack down the page he says: "Jumping to conclusions to meet your ideological biases is a dangerous business."

I mean isn't jumping to the conclusion that the shooter just shot at random based on your ideological biases? In specific your belief that the shooter may have been "expressing outrage at the federal courts." Like they did something to be outraged about and some how that might be more understandable than it being aimed at DeFazio?

Since you apparently think it's so rare to find "bullets flying" in Eugene that would seem to argue for the the conclusion that the event was premediated rather than random. I would think that while the window may have been random that it was not likely 'hooliganism' for the simple reason that it would seem to be a high risk proposition to make a federal courthouse a target knowing that it certainly would result in an in-depth criminal investigation just for kicks. I'd say it is very likely the perpetrator knew pretty much exactly what they were doing.

Posted by Steve: "Maybe the details of the Health Bill are finally being realized by the sedated masses in Eugene?"

Like that might justify it?

Amazing-

I remember again why I've sworn off BO. :)... Murphy's paranoid, tighter-than-a-tick readiness to see terrorism and Repugs turning to those guns their constituents do so adore... is instructive to observe.

Yoiks. Ill tempered bluster replaces well-honed badinage daily. stumping oafishly across a muddy pitch vs. light, accelerated danc-ing!

Jack Roberts: "...given my familiarity with that building, it is unlikely that anyone actually knew they were shooting into Congressman DeFazio's office."

Well I'll admit I've only seen pictures of the new courthouse but most buildings you can count the stories so it's probably pretty easy to count the stories I think the Eugene hooligans can handle that- then I guess the Congressman's office is open to the public so you could walk down the hall and count the offices or doors I guess the Eugene hooligans could figure that out. And then on the outside you can can count the windows I guess so I know we might be getting up in the double digits but I guess the Eigene hooligans could decopher that- So I just don't think it would require much effort to figure out which window is which if you wanted too.

Gee why would anybody ever presume that the target hit was the target intended.

If you read my b.s. here you will know I'm not a huge DeFazio fan (although he has an excellent record, especially foreign policy) and I am really a complete BO outsider so no one should project my comments on BO.

Why is it unlikely that someone knew where they were shooting?

Jack Roberts: "...given my familiarity with that building, it is unlikely that anyone actually knew they were shooting into Congressman DeFazio's office."

Well I'll admit I've only seen pictures of the new courthouse but most buildings you can count the stories so it's probably pretty easy to count the stories I think the Eugene hooligans can handle that- then I guess the Congressman's office is open to the public so you could walk down the hall and count the offices or doors I guess the Eugene hooligans could figure that out. And then on the outside you can can count the windows I guess so I know we might be getting up in the double digits but I guess the Eigene hooligans could decopher that- So I just don't think it would require much effort to figure out which window is which if you wanted too.

Gee why would anybody ever presume that the target hit was the target intended.

If you read my b.s. here you will know I'm not a huge DeFazio fan (although he has an excellent record, especially foreign policy) and I am really a complete BO outsider so no one should project my comments on BO.

Why is it unlikely that someone knew where they were shooting?

Posted by: Scott Jorgensen | Oct 30, 2009 12:12:34 PM

Why don't we wait until the FBI finishes its investigation

I guess you'd call my penchant for salmon hunting and investigation too. We won't even begin to discuss the non-meaning of finish in the context.

My sister lived in the apartment complex where teh two mudered Oregon City girls did. While the second murder was being planned, they went apartment by apartment collecting data on weapons, drugs, you name it. When she moved out 6 months ago, there were people still be harassed. They rounded up a number of Medical Marijuana users before the second murder even happened.

The FBI uses capitol crimes as an excuse to suspend all civil rights and to invade every single premise that they see. This is where society's rug rat mongering has gotten us. For centuries US law hung on the fact that a search warrant must clearly specifiy what is being searched for, and where. No longer. Let's just check everybody out and see if they're living the way we've told them they have to.

Dear WHen They Break: welcome to the rez.

Good point, rw. It never ceases to amaze how people allow violations of rights based on the "well, they certainly aren't like me" principle. From arguing with hippies in 1968 that thought Wounded Knee wasn't a harbinger to i-told-you-so horror, during the initial Patriot Act debates everytime a right was taken away with the words, "we're not asking for anything we don't already do with drug dealers"... People do get the gov they deserve. Unfortunately, in a non-parliamentary democracy, "people" is 50%+1 vote and millions can suffer from they tyrannical majority's short sightedness.

First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a communist; Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist; Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist; Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew; Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak out for me.

And they never seem to come for the wingnuts.

stumping oafishly across a muddy pitch vs. light, accelerated danc-ing!

uhh, I think you're exasperated to the point you're channeling the Mark Ramprakash appreciation group, rw ( formed after...)!

Definitely cricket imagery .

Next you're going to mention that you're a Surrey fan...

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