Barack Obama wins the Nobel Peace Prize
Kari Chisholm
In a stunner, the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize has been awarded to President Barack Obama. He is the third sitting president - and the first in 90 years - to win the award. (Theodore Roosevelt in 1906 and Woodrow Wilson in 1919 were the others.)
According to the Washington Post:
The committee praised Obama for his "extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples" during his nine months in office and singled out for special recognition Obama's call for a world free of nuclear weapons, which he first made in an April speech in Prague.Heralding Obama as a transformative figure in U.S. and international diplomacy, the committee said: "Only very rarely has a person to the same extent as Obama captured the world's attention and given its people hope for a better future. His diplomacy is founded in the concept that those who are to lead the world must do so on the basis of values and attitudes that are shared by the majority of the world's population."
It does seem a bit premature - given that he's in the first year of his presidency, and the deadline for nominations was twelve days into his presidency.
To me, the explanation is this:
First, understand that the Nobel committee sometimes awards the Peace Prize as a way of noting something they want to encourage.
Second, it's crystal clear to me that it was the Nobel committee's way of issuing a rebuke to the previous administration; a giant F#%! YOU to George W. Bush.
Update: One of the few hard accomplishments made by President Obama in his first 12 days was putting an end to the practice of torturing people. That, along with shifting American foreign policy to a collaborative and diplomatic approach, rather than the outlaw cowboy style of George Bush, is clearly what won it for Obama.
A bit premature, but understanding the Nobel committee's goals, reasonable enough.
Your thoughts?
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6:50 a.m.
Oct 9, '09
Kari, I agree with you. It’s premature, and, perhaps, a bit silly and somewhat devaluing to previous recipients.
The Norwegian, of course, are free to do what they want. And I think your speculations are probably right. But just not being the previous bad guy should not really be enough, IMHO.
Better if they had waited a little longer, until Obama had announced his new Afghanistan strategy. If he goes for more US troops matched by Chinese troops or pulls US troops out I would feel he had earned the award. (see my post here on Chinese troops).
I’d also feel he had earned the award if he had implemented a national version of a Go Global High School Study Abroad Program (here) to send tens of thousands of US high school students abroad.
6:55 a.m.
Oct 9, '09
Huge white gloved, back hand to Bushco! Grandpa Prescott Bush actually helped finance the Natzis when no other bank would help them. IN YO' FACE EVIL!!!!
Oct 9, '09
The manner in which Obama has continually snubbed our European allies, has only helped to create a new tension and coldness in international affairs. Obama has done NOTHING to promote peace in this world. It appears that the only requirement for winning this prize is to be anti-Semitic, ala Jimmy Carter.
The Norwegians just can't help but love a good Socialist/Marxist. I bet that they can tell you how many pimples Obama's got on his azz.
Oct 9, '09
Oh can't you see he earned this.
Oct 9, '09
The funny thing is...the NOMINATIIONS were due on February 12th. That is less than ONE MONTH in office.
And He was still able to win the most coveted prize on earth. Maybe He really is the embodiment of Jesus Christ. I can think of no other possible explanation for winning a prize without doing a goddamn thing.
All hail The One!
7:28 a.m.
Oct 9, '09
Dan: This “The One” business that I keep hearing about Obama – what are ya’ll trying to say? Speak up. Ya’ll seem to be good accusers.
Oct 9, '09
I like many of the things that Obama has accomplished in his 9 months in office. However, I fail to see TODAY what he has attempted, or done, to garner the nomination or award.
Perhaps this time next year would have been more appropriate?
Oct 9, '09
I think you're right, Kari. In fact, they've probably done Obama a major disservice... giving the right wing another big rock to throw.
7:43 a.m.
Oct 9, '09
FYI, I just extended my post a bit. The above comments predated my final paragraph.
8:00 a.m.
Oct 9, '09
A couple of points...
If the only thing Obama has done is to reverse a doctrine of preemption by the world's dominant military power, then this award is well-deserved.
Regarding "The One"... have a look at this and this and this then try to explain how the national GOP has not tried to tie theology and idolatry to the office of President (so long as the President is a Republican) at a level that is unprecedented in American history.
8:00 a.m.
Oct 9, '09
I think the use of "the One" started with Oprah Winfrey, who used that term in explaining why she was breaking with her usual avoidance of political endorsements and backing Obama.
When I first heard that Obama won the Nobel Prize, I couldn't figure out if it was for bringing peace to Iraq, bringing Peace to Afghanistan or bringing the Olmpics to Chicago. Then I thought maybe it was for closing Gitmo. I hadn't considered it might be for ending the torture that had already ended several years ago.
Now it looks like its just another way to bash Bush. So now I wonder, when does John Kerry get his Nobel Prize?
Oct 9, '09
Big deal, I've got a Peace Prize too.
Oct 9, '09
For the Nobel committee, this is just another chapter in the long term narrative of making their Peace Prize a complete joke.
Obama joins Yassir Arafat in the long list of ridiculous choices, which say far more about the Nobel committee's political leanings than anything else.
The Nobel Prize is no longer even coveted, so political it has become. To give it to Obama is actually funny. It exposes the Nobel committee in a way that no one else could have.
Oct 9, '09
I could see giving him that award if he got us out of Iraq and Afghanistan in a couple of years, but the prize committee is going to look awfully stupid if Obama continues to escalate the conflict in Afghanistan.
8:12 a.m.
Oct 9, '09
Gotta say, Jake, that is one of the best on-topic astroturfs for a product I've ever seen.
Jack - How can one explain this award without discussing the context in which it was given -- namely the military posture, policies favoring rendition, and rationalizations of torture that were sanctioned by the previous administration?
Obama's election theoretically repudiates that approach, and in a certain sense, this award was not given to the President of the United States so much as to the people of this country who elected someone who pledged to reverse the policies of the previous administration.
Oct 9, '09
"One of the few hard accomplishments made by President Obama in his first 12 days was putting an end to the practice of torturing people."
Hard as in solid or hard as in a hard decision? Yet we still are sending "detainees" to Bagram Air Base, AKA Torture central.
Oct 9, '09
Apparently the committee didn’t see last week’s Saturday Night Live opening sketch.
Oct 9, '09
Obama should be "Given" the INDY 500 championship next, followed by an Oscar. What a guy!
I think the Pope should kiss his ring finger.
Oct 9, '09
What perfet timing to go along with his blue BS policies for cap and trade, universal health care, amnesty and fiscal insanity.
What a wonderful blue world you're building.
8:44 a.m.
Oct 9, '09
Sal, that comment was spam and it's gone now. Welcome to the latest spam tactic - grabbing actual comments and spamming them everywhere along with their spam link.
Oct 9, '09
@Kari - Very interesting ideas about the motivations of the Nobel Committee. Agree with you that giving President Obama the award is premature.
8:54 a.m.
Oct 9, '09
Jack Roberts:
I don't know if you are the real Jack Roberts, but you sure are funny! We don't agree all the time on these posts but I respect your humor.
Oct 9, '09
Sal:
I think you're on to something. This was one of my first thoughts when I heard the news.
Oct 9, '09
I think it's a prank by the Yes Men to point out the huge gap between those Obama peace sign bumper stickers and reality. There's really no other way to explain it.
9:05 a.m.
Oct 9, '09
A committment to harmony in international relations will be celebrated at Bo's birthday party this weekend.
Oct 9, '09
Jack:
Oh, one last question - what vintage of champagne did you open to celebrate the awarding of the "Olmpics" to another country?
9:12 a.m.
Oct 9, '09
If I were advising the president on this, I would say have the committee hold the prize until your last day in office, and say you will decide then if you can accept it. This is an award that needs to be earned by the whole country. Let it serve as a reminder to the American People the whole time you are in office that you have a goal to reach (the highest award for peace in the world).
You can be focused on earning that award everyday you are in office, or not and deciding to decline it out of honor for the office and the award if we don’t get as far as a country past the last administration as we should in one presidency.
9:14 a.m.
Oct 9, '09
Maybe this means Obama actually will meet fellow-prize winner, the Dalai Lama. Sure, the Dalai isn't welcome at the White House, but maybe there's a Nobel alumni chapter house where they could hang?
All in all, this makes the Nobel prize committee seem more like star-struck tweens at a Jonas Brothers show than a serious force in international politics. I can only assume Obama is somewhat at a loss, probably a little embarrassed, and no doubt hoping none of the egg on the Nobel committee's face drips onto him.
The oddest thing is that the Nobel committee somehow thought this would actually help the president forward his agenda--Europe continues their love-hate fascination with America, never quite getting it.
9:22 a.m.
Oct 9, '09
I admit to having my eyebrow raised when I heard the news on NPR this morning. That said...I do think the reactions are interesting. Especially the viscerally hateful stuff coming out of the right-wing.
9:23 a.m.
Oct 9, '09
Oops, looks like he already accepted.
Oct 9, '09
An interesting turn of events.
He has done a lot to promote world peace, rid the world of nuclear weapons and to combat global warming. I for one, am happy for news. Now if he would only end Bush's wars.
Oct 9, '09
I forgot that they also gave this thing to Henry Kissinger and Yitzak Rabin, which proves that just like the folks that gave flute-wielding Jethro Tull the Grammy for Heavy Metal, the Nobel committee is on crack.
Woulda been better if it was the Yes Men...
9:36 a.m.
Oct 9, '09
Jack - How can one explain this award without discussing the context in which it was given -- namely the military posture, policies favoring rendition, and rationalizations of torture that were sanctioned by the previous administration?
The problem with this logic, Sal, is that it seems to imply those things are normal and simply repudiating them is worthy of a Nobel Peace Prize. This isn't Obama bashing, by the way; I just agree with those who think this is premature.
If he actually does end the fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan, what are they going to do, rename it the Obama Peace Prize?
I don't know if you are the real Jack Roberts, but you sure are funny! We don't agree all the time on these posts but I respect your humor..
You mean there is a real Jack Roberts?
Oct 9, '09
Especially the viscerally hateful stuff coming out of the right-wing.
Why should that surprise you, they have nothing left but hate. The right is contributing nothing but hate.
Oct 9, '09
One, this year's peace prize award may reflect, in part, the dearth of major peace accomplishments on the global stage. Two, this peace prize award might be viewed as a preemptive award given to a presumed major achiever of peace. The wisdom of the award should be better defined in a few years. Given how little genuine world peace progress there is, the Nobel committee had a tough job to do.
10:02 a.m.
Oct 9, '09
Jack - All fair points. Thanks for that.
Regarding my comments on idolatry and the Presidency, it's worth mentioning that the first person I'm aware of to raise concerns about the "deification" of the Presidency was an evangelical Christian by the name of Mark Hatfield, who was talking about this during the Nixon era.
Oct 9, '09
The award is a way of sending a message to the world by repudiating utterly the Bush era, and pointing the direction towards reconciliation and peace, especially between the Muslim world and the West. I think the speech in Cairo and the renewed initiative for negotiations with Iran, and Middle East peace are the reason for the award. More than anything the award is to the American people for electing President Barack Obama and the direction he is setting for the world.
As for the tea-bagger haters, and the Naderite cynics, go suck on eggs and stew in your own pot of self-created resentment!
Oct 9, '09
I think Kari and others aren't giving Obama enough credit for the things he actually has done such as the Cairo speech, the reengagement with Iran, and his positions on nuclear disarmament. Those are major events, the lack of US press coverage notwithstanding. The things we get worked up about almost always involve domestic policy issues, whereas most of the world gets far more worked up about international issues. I love listening to the BBC broadcast on OPB at midnight; they talk about issues and conflicts that I hardly even know about since the US media doesn't cover them.
As for the nominations due on Feb 12th, it seems clear from the committee's statement that they are taking into account things that happened after that. I have no idea if that's normal or not.
10:32 a.m.
Oct 9, '09
WHAT YOU MEAN THE NOBEL PEACE PRIZE IS A POLITICAL AWARD??? OMG! hahahaha
10:37 a.m.
Oct 9, '09
Did you hear about the new Obama t-shirt?
“I went to Scandinavia to win the Olympics for Chicago, and all I got was this lousy Nobel Peace Prize!” ;-)
Oct 9, '09
Jack Roberts "I think the use of "the One" started with Oprah Winfrey..."
Oprah Winfrey ought to br your heroine Jack- a real Horatio Alger- not some one who inherited their money- a real capitalist not a pencil pushing lawyer waiting for their PERS to kick in.
And don't you remember: "NIXON IS THE ONE"
John Kerry actually wouldn't be a bad candidate for a peace Prize for his work with Vietnam Veterans Against the War and for thre reconcilliation efforts in later years with Vietnam. But we forget you are stuck in Swiftboat mode...
Oct 9, '09
What did Obama do?
He put America back in Number 1- Most admired nation in the world -to start with- standing tall- It's morning in America!
What many Americans fail to take account of is any international perspective- internationally his dialogue has turned public sentiment is our favor- his appointment of Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State puts diplomacy back in action- his refusal to place Bush's missle "shield" in Europe cause Russia to descalate the weapons build up- this is huge in Europe.
No America news media would rather report on when Levi Johnston is going to strip and who ghost wrote the Palin fairy tales...
11:12 a.m.
Oct 9, '09
. . . the first person I'm aware of to raise concerns about the "deification" of the Presidency was an evangelical Christian by the name of Mark Hatfield, who was talking about this during the Nixon era.
Right, and he was against it.
Oprah Winfrey ought to be your heroine Jack- a real Horatio Alger- not some one who inherited their money- a real capitalist not a pencil pushing lawyer waiting for their PERS to kick in.
I like Oprah Winfrey. I was simply citing the source for "the One" not criticizing her.
John Kerry actually wouldn't be a bad candidate for a peace Prize for his work with Vietnam Veterans Against the War and for three reconciliation efforts in later years with Vietnam. But we forget you are stuck in Swiftboat mode...
I wasn't criticizing John Kerry, either. I was simply implying that, if bashing Bush is the purpose behind giving Nobel prizes to Carter, Gore and Obama, then Kerry should get one, too.
I actually think a joint Peace Prize award to Kerry and McCain would have been legitimate back in the 1990s when we they helped lead the way toward reconciliation with North Vietnam.
I admit enjoy provoking the paranoid reactions of the lunatic fringe of the BlueOregon readership, but sometimes it is just too easy. It does point out, however, how important it is that pharmaceutical drugs be included in any universal health care plan.
Oct 9, '09
Where is Kanye West when you actually want him to show up?
Oct 9, '09
I love Jack, fyi. I disagree with you a whole lot, Mr. Roberts, but you are very effective at punching us in our soft underbelly. We need punching, too.
The silver lining here is that Obama now knows that his future actions will all be weighed against the hope expressed in this prize. If he is continuing flawed and immoral foreign and defense policy, the whole world will never let him forget that he is letting us down.
No pressure, Mr. President!
Oct 9, '09
I thought the conservative response to the Olympic bid was overblown and ridiculous. They went out of their way to make a big deal out of it with headlines like, "The Ego Has Landed" on Drudge.
I happened to be up at 5 a.m. and saw the Drudge Headline this morning and they were so upset they were repeating words before citing some reaction from Pakistan calling it an "embarrassing joke." I tell you what's an embarrassing joke: The conservative movement.
11:36 a.m.
Oct 9, '09
Oh, there you go Mr. Roberts, dipping into the gutter. Attacking the mental state of your opponents? Strait out of Rove’s playbook; come on? Geez, and I just said you were funny and there you go and embarrass us with compliments.
When G.W. Bush said that God told him to go to war in Iraq, what do you think he really meant by that? Further, do you really think that was God he was listening to?
11:37 a.m.
Oct 9, '09
I see this as a proxy award to America as a whole for rejecting the neo-conservative posture of the United States by electing Barack Obama as our President, combined with the valid things he has done internationally, from re-engagement in diplomacy, to an honest rapprochement with the Muslim world, to actually gaveling in the UN Security council and then talking about nuclear DISARMAMENT (not non-proliferation, but disarmament), the shift in policy of deploying the ill-advises and provocative "missile shield" in eastern Europe, etc. etc.
He (because we did it) replaced a nuclear armed "with us or against us" cowboy who had his finger on the trigger and launched two wars... with a calm, reasonable, smart and empathic president who is reengaging the world and seeks ending of nuclear weapons.
Given the way American posture impacts the entire globe planet (a Goliath astride the globe), I think that is more than enough to warrant the prize.
Oct 9, '09
Anybody who thinks the Nobel prize to Obama was premature, is a RACIST who don't like black people.
11:48 a.m.
Oct 9, '09
Oh, there you go Mr. Roberts, dipping into the gutter. Attacking the mental state of your opponents? Strait out of Rove’s playbook; come on? Geez, and I just said you were funny and there you go and embarrass us with compliments.
You're right. I was out of line. I apologize to you and your invisible friends.
11:51 a.m.
Oct 9, '09
Mr Roberts:
Well, the are still pissed off but I'm OK. lol. The only "lunatic fringe of the BlueOregon readership" seems to be red in the face, and on your side captain sarcasm.
Oct 9, '09
Any question that our president has improved our Country's standing in the court of world opinion? The dramatic change of rhetoric from it's my way or the highway, to let's find and promote common interests is effective diplomacy. All he is saying is give peaceful coexistence a chance. I am sure Obama was as surprised to win the peace prize as all his detractors. What do the haters think of his decision to donate every dime of the million plus to charity? How do you spin that act of generosity? This is just the beginning of disappointment for those of you praying for failure. Your next shock will come in the 2010 elections.
12:01 p.m.
Oct 9, '09
I’m sorry Mr. Roberts, were you saying something? I was distracted by all the dead people from your president’s wars knocking on my door, haunting me with their suffering, hungry for hope and change. That blood will just not wash out will it? Scoff at the reality of it but, this award represent a repudiation of many of the dear values you and your neo-conservative ilk share. Call us crazy, but it is true. Come celebrate with us!
Here, have some pie.
12:04 p.m.
Oct 9, '09
I’m sorry Mr. Roberts, were you saying something? I was distracted by all the dead people from your president’s wars knocking on my door, haunting me with their suffering, hungry for hope and change. That blood will just not wash out will it? Scoff at the reality of it but, this award represents a repudiation of many of the dear values you and your neo-conservative ilk share, call us crazy or not. Come celebrate with us!
Here, have some pie.
Oct 9, '09
The right wing responds as always with hate and divisiveness. It's not all right for an American President to receive the Nobel Peace Prize, or to lobby for the Olympics. Those "international elites" are just undermining American resolve to wage war.
Hate and divisiveness seem to be the new permanent campaign mode. GOP candidates are now using cutout targets of their Democratic opponents to fire their weaponry. In Florida: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091009/ap_on_el_ho/us_republicans_shooting_range
Oct 9, '09
Pretty amazing...considering Obama just bombed the moon!
I wonder if he will up the troop levels in Afganistan next?
12:35 p.m.
Oct 9, '09
Oops on the double posting; don't want to pollute Blue Oregon. :-)
Oct 9, '09
@ Jack Roberts
At least your hero, John McCain, had the graciousness to say that .... "all Americans are proud when their president receives the Nobel Peace Prize." Why can't you be proud, Jack?
Oct 9, '09
Count me in with the "huh?" reactions. I'd love to see this President -- or ANY president -- get a Nobel Peace Prize by EARNING it with some substantive contribution to peace or human rights. So far, we're still in Iraq, still in Afghanistan, still threatened by Al Qaida, still operating Guantanamo and who knows how many other secret prisons around the world, still leading the world in incarcerating our own people (mostly due to draconian punishments for drug offenses), still haven't stepped up to lead the world in cutting greenhouse gas emissions ...
What has Obama actually DONE to warrant this kind of recognition? "Discontinuing torture" shouldn't count ... you shouldn't get credit for doing what you're supposed to be doing anyway. Ditto for collaborative diplomacy: that's just the basics for ANY responsible leader.
And if the criteria for winning a Nobel prize is "not being George W. Bush," well, I think we should give one to Ted Kulongoski. And Sam Adams. And what the hell, I want one too.
Oct 9, '09
I wish he had done something to earn it. So far, his timid approach to reform has been effectively Bush-lite. Hillary would have at least tried.
1:30 p.m.
Oct 9, '09
i'm not a Nobel scholar, but it doesn't take much to see this is not an usual award from the Peace Prize Committee. they frequently give the award before there are tangible accomplishments. i cover some of those at my websites.
under the standards being help up for Obama, many recipients are failures. "there is no way to Peace. Peace is the way."
i'm proud that he has been honored in this way. it's an endorsement of the change millions of us worked so hard for. if it helps make our hopes into reality, then let's cheer and not whinge that he didn't deserve it. he does -- on behalf of us and those around the world who support who he is and what he does (will do). as he noted himself.
Oct 9, '09
Could it be that the rest of the world is a little shocked and aghast at the treatment President Obama has gotten here and they're sending a message to counter it? Maybe the right wingers who compared the President to Hitler for trying to fix healthcare, actually caused this award to happen. In that case they just made the President 1.4 million dollars in prize money and that's not exactly a socialist style number.
Oct 9, '09
"Could it be that the rest of the world is a little shocked and aghast at the treatment President Obama has gotten here and they're sending a message to counter it?"
Precisely... and the treatment he has received not only from the right, but from the left as well. As noted in many commentators and bloggers on this site. Our political culture is a cesspool of ill will and malice towards everyone. At least the Nobel Committee has a little idealism and benevolence remaining.
2:32 p.m.
Oct 9, '09
Over at Oregon Commentator, they're expressing outrage at me. Kind of funny, actually.
Anyway, here's the comment I posted over there...
Actually, the Arafat example is more apt than you realize. For Arafat (and Peres and Rabin), the award was given in order to encourage something that was underway - but not yet completed. The Nobel committee does that fairly regularly, actually.
So, yes, it is about "potential" - and that's perfectly fine. It's their award, they can award it for whatever reason they want.
I spend a lot of studying the Heisman Trophy process over my other project StiffArmTrophy.com - and the criteria is similarly vague and malleable from year to year. Who's the "best college football player in America"? Ultimately, the answer is: whoever the voters think it is.
As for Obama, I do think it's worth noting that it's not 100% about potential. There is one thing that Obama accomplished in that first 12 days: he ended the practice of torturing prisoners. Among other things, it was that Bush era practice that offended the world so deeply.
There's a reason why people in over 70 countries took to the streets to celebrate on the night Obama was elected.
Oct 9, '09
Premature. Especially considering several blatant human rights black eyes like the ridiculous refusal to meet with the Dalai Lama and Guantanamo Bay still open.
Oct 9, '09
The Nobel Prize has lost all credibility. Awarding it to a man who has expanded the War on Terror into Pakistan and Somalia, while defending Bush-era torturers and keeping their legal framework in place is an Orwellian farce.
You and the rest of team blue should be hanging your heads in shame. But as you guys at Blue Oregon and the "progressive" left show again and again the guilty have no pride.
Shame on the people who gave the award to this butcher and shame on you for not calling this what it is- cynical and disgusting.
Oct 9, '09
Well, looks like Blue Oregon's very own wingnut troll brigade is keeping busy here.
Jesus K. Reist. Did you actually hear Mr. Obama's remarks this morning? Here's the opening:
<hr/>Well, this is not how I expected to wake up this morning.
After I received the news, Malia walked in and said, "Daddy, you won the Nobel Peace Prize, and it is Bo's birthday."
And then Sasha added, "Plus, we have a three-day weekend coming up."
So it's -- it's good to have kids to keep things in perspective.
I am both surprised and deeply humbled by the decision of the Nobel Committee.
Let me be clear, I do not view it as a recognition of my own accomplishments, but rather as an affirmation of American leadership on behalf of aspirations held by people in all nations.
To be honest, I do not feel that I deserve to be in the company of so many of the transformative figures who've been honored by this prize, men and women who've inspired me and inspired the entire world through their courageous pursuit of peace.
But I also know that this prize reflects the kind of world that those men and women and all Americans want to build, a world that gives life to the promise of our founding documents.
And I know that throughout history the Nobel Peace Prize has not just been used to honor specific achievement; it's also been used as a means to give momentum to a set of causes.
And that is why I will accept this award as a call to action, a call for all nations to confront the common challenges of the 21st century.
<hr/>OK wingnuts and bitter Obama-haters both left and right, have at it. Just reading these remarks, you can see the man is an arrogant jerk.
Oct 9, '09
I would actually think people like Jack would like Obama getting this. First day in office he bombs Pakistan, he's sending more troops to Afghanistan, he gave a shitload of money to the banks, he's leaving tons of mercenaries in Iraq, he seems all for keeping most of the Patriot Act and associated travesties against the Constitution, he talks well about Israel but does nothing to prevent their slaughter of Palestinians...shit, what's not to like for the right wing? I guess it's that Kennedy thing where in foreign affairs so-called conservatives love the iron fist and loathe the Democrats putting the silk glove over it.
Oct 9, '09
I think the Nobel Prize is an honor for the President, he was very gracious about accepting it.
Oct 9, '09
Oh this is too stupid.
I heard Thoom Hartman talk about Obama deserving it for "creating a climate of peace".
Yeah sure Thom. Climate.
Then on the way home from work I heard Al Gore declare Obama was "extremley deserving".
Ok that's good enough. Thanks Al.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6867711.ece
"Rarely has an award had such an obvious political and partisan intent. It was clearly seen by the Norwegian Nobel committee as a way of expressing European gratitude for an end to the Bush Administration, approval for the election of America’s first black president and hope that Washington will honour its promise to re-engage with the world.
Instead, the prize risks looking preposterous in its claims, patronising in its intentions and demeaning in its attempt to build up a man who has barely begun his period in office, let alone achieved any tangible outcome for peace. There is a further irony in offering a peace prize to a president whose principal preoccupation at the moment is when and how to expand the war in Afghanistan.
The spectacle of Mr Obama mounting the podium in Oslo to accept a prize that once went to Nelson Mandela, Aung San Suu Kyi and Mother Theresa would be all the more absurd if it follows a White House decision to send up to 40,000 more US troops to Afghanistan."
Oct 9, '09
House Republicans have introduced a bill to defund the Nobel Institute.
Oct 9, '09
I hear House Republicans have also introduced a bill to repeal the law of gravity. This is a minor distraction from their crusade to expose Nancy Pelosi as a "domestic enemy of the Constitution."
Oct 9, '09
I love how any time folks go against the current around here, they are instantly labeled "wingnuts", "trolls", "Nadering nabobs" or whatever.
Y'all can theorize on the intentions of the Nobel committee and the Bush legacy all you want, it doesn't change the fact that Obama is the commander in chief, and that hundreds of people have been killed and/or tortured since he took over. It's nice that he is giving speeches about nukes and all, but awarding him the Nobel Peace Prize is a bit strange.
Oct 10, '09
I always saw the Bush administration as the darkest farce ever. You know: The familiar tale of the screw-up son but with more power than any screw-up son in history. I always felt there would be a time - perhaps centuries from now - when all the slaughter and mayhem and pain would fade away and it would just seem funny. I could see historians having a spectacular time reviewing how much damage this one clown managed to pull off.
Oct 10, '09
Uh, Chris#12, this is the way it works:
If Barack Obama drinks his coffee black, some wingnut will say he's an enemy of the dairy industry.
If Barack Obama wears briefs, some wingnut will attack him for not wearing boxers.
If Barack Obama has a ham sandwich, some wingnut will attack him for his cruelty to animals, but if Obama decides to become a vegetarian, the same wingnut will attack him as a limp-wristed member of the cultural elite.
Getting the picture yet?
I'd love to have intelligent discourse about Mr. Obama's foreign policy, but it's a bit tough when the right-wing noise machines NEVERS SHUTS THE FUCK UP.
Oct 10, '09
Not sure it matters, especially to the wingnuts, but here's a fairly detailed description of how Nobel laureates are chosen. Hint: the claim that Obama was picked 12 days after taking office is pure bullshit.
Oct 10, '09
According to Nobel's will, the Peace Prize should be awarded "to the person who shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses.
Shall have done...not shall have proposed, not shall have appealed, not shall have encouraged.
Oct 10, '09
Hey Joel,
Aren't just a bit off? You ever read what you post?
And so far Obama's foreign policy is barely distinguishable from Bush's. Is that what has you potty mouth rabid?
8:28 p.m.
Oct 10, '09
Anyone other than me remember this song (sung approximately to the tune of Bringing In the Sheaves)?
Nixon's the one. Nixon's the one. Nixon's the only one. We believe in Nixon. N-I-X-O-N Nixon's the one for me.
It was written in a few minutes by a restaurant owner in Phoenix and was sung at a Nixon rally. It became the theme song of the campaign.
Oct 10, '09
my first thought was that maybe they're making up for Chicago not getting the Olympics
Oct 11, '09
Douglas K. said, "What has Obama actually DONE to warrant this kind of recognition? "Discontinuing torture" shouldn't count.."
While I agree whole-heartedly with your conclusion, you're wrong about Obama "discontinuing torture". He has returned to the Clinton brand of torture by proxy:
Google (I can't get a list of links published here, so you need to find these titles):
Dennis Kucinich, U.S. Playing a New Rendition of an Old Song-Torture
Jeremy Scahill, Little Known Military Thug Squad Still Brutalizing Prisoners at Gitmo Under Obama
Tomgram: Alfred McCoy, Back to the Future in Torture Policy ("...a turn away from a dark, do-it-yourself ethos and a return to the outsourcing of torture that went on, with the support of both Democrats and Republicans, in the Cold War years.")
NYT, Rendition of Terror Suspects Will Continue Under Obama ("...human rights advocates condemned the decision, saying it would permit the transfer of prisoners to countries with a history of torture and that promises of humane treatment, called 'diplomatic assurances,' were no protection against abuse.")
Obama Brings Guantánamo And Rendition To Bagram (And Not The Geneva Conventions)
Obama, American Ideals, and Torture as ‘a useful tool’
Obama may not be as egregious a war criminal as Bush, or as Mussolini, but he is a war criminal, and to say that the Nobel Prize is ill-deserved is an understatement.
Oct 11, '09
Nick P said, "You and the rest of team blue should be hanging your heads in shame."
Team Blue, like Team Red, has no shame.
Oct 11, '09
Mr. Obama said that he didn't consider himself deserving of the award in comparison to previous recipients. This outrageous remark has of course sent Richard into paroxysms of rage about The One's arrogance and prompted comments about how "Team Blue...has no shame."
Oct 13, '09
The Nobel committee seems to have some misplaced infatuation with the U.S.A.
Remember, the 1973 peace prize was awarded to mass-murderer Henry Kissinger (jointly with Le Duc Tho, who had the class to refuse to accept in unison with the mass-murderer).
It was Kissinger who dreamed up the bombing of Cambodia and who oversaw "free-fire zone" deployments from 1969-73.
When Kissinger was awarded the prize, noted satirist Tom Lehrer said, "As of now all political satire is obsolete".
Obama is not in Kissinger's league, but still it's a sick joke that a commander-in-chief who's in the process of escalating a war has been awarded this prize.
Oct 19, '09
Its rather interesting that in order to get a Nobel prize for physics or chemistry you have to show results.Same goes for any other category,except for piece where you can get the prize for nothing.