Nice smack-down, Earl. Sadly, I doubt many beyond C-SPAN or Blue Oregon will see it. More and more Republicans are becoming the party that will lie about anything. Anything. WMDs anyone?

Nice to say that the guys down at my usual breakfast place have been seeing it for years now.

Ask Earl if he approves of China wanting out of Cap and Trade?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgPfOmv8Lm4

www.StephanAndrewBrodheadforCongress.com

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2XV8GSyYcY

How is China going to Cap and trde its way out of a 90 percent coal burning electrical

When I get the money I buy the Caddilac!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9QxAdKcDSE

Blue Manure. The best side stepper in the House of Representatives.

So the Democrats only misrepresent the truth accidentally? Like when Pelosi said that Natural Gas isn't a fossil fuel?

Great smokescreen Earl! Why not call down calumnys upon Bush the Fateher instead of talking about what your are doing for the taxpayers of Oregon?

We need to keep Republicans alive so we can blame them for everything.

Warren Buffet on Cap and Trade

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoCsFsU_irY

While Earl is spending our childrens money, we republicans are doing the deed! nananananana

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0-DY6bFGEg&feature=channel

Carla, that's a great c-span clip. The Republicans continually just make stuff up, echo it with discipline through all their channels, and then try to establish it as conventional wisdom. Of course they know its not true, but that doesn't matter - it never has.

Anyways, Earl deserves applause and we will make sure this clip, with the speechless Republican caught like a deer in the headlights, gets wider distribution.

SAB, if you think Boehner is going to win you any votes in Oregon, you'd better not waste your money running for office. That clip was nothing other than a Boehner press conference. Sorry, I have yet to hear him say anything which isn't just the same warmed over ideology.

Given that the "base" of the Republican party consists of the lower 40 percent of the bell curve, lack of truth is of little concern when propagating an easily-grasped and incendiary talking point. It is how Republicans keep their people fired up. I gave up being shocked about "Republican language imprecision" two decades ago. It is just part of who and what they are.

LT,

The new Obama budget is $3.55 Trillion. It adds another $30 billion to the already $100 billion a year in Iraq and Afghanistan. China wants to opt out of Cap and Trade because they say they already are stemming Greenhouse gases by the 1 child law.

This is becoming a fiasco.

You cater to illegals and consider them a voting block when they speak zero English, lower wages, and send their money to Mexico.

You care nothing about open borders and protecting our sovereignty.

Some feel manifest Destiny was evil!

You go along with every tax and spend initiative without even investigating the content.

You applaud a president that insist on passing a stimulus pork laden package without even reading it.

Those of you who have nothing feel socialism is a good idea because someone else will pay for it.

Obama will double the national debt from 10 trillion to 20 trillion in only one term.

He then will expect our children to fund all the schemes etc.

You talk of Ford and offer eloquent advice and then go along with spending that you know is wrong!

Obama makes George Bush's deficit look like a childs game.

Even before any of the Stimulus package has even been distributed, we are seeing an uptick in the economy.

This administration and this Democratic congress are the biggest fools we have ever had in Government. They spend money like fools.

Of course you will state something incoherent about Bush even while Obama spends money hand over fist.

It would be one thing if Obama went straight for the things he stated in his campaign like:

Health Care removing troops line by line more efficient government

instead he reverses pretty much every position he ran on.

Next will be taxation for everyone.Like: capital gains, AMT, Cap and Trade, Medicare, Social Security, income taxs.

Then we will have to absorb food inflation costs do to ethanol,and Bio fuels.

Then we will have to pay for the massive electrical grid by paying higher utilities

Trillions will be diverted to government and away from the free market system. So , the people that create enterprise and run small business will not have the cash fuel to operate, hence, employment will stagnate:

Our older citzens that remember the "Great depression" are simply freaked out over Obama and his spending. he has not confronted the real problesm facing America of entitlements, large government, and health care costs.

You have been duped:

Obama will grow government from 18 percent of GDP to 36 percent. Meanwhile 5 million baby boomers will be leaving the workforce and taking entitlements every year for the next 20 years. None of this is sinking in.

Unlike many people I am a visionary. Had I taken the lemminglike course that some of you do, I would not have the wealth that I have today. When I see opportunity I act on it. When I see a storm coming I seek shelter. When I see a government losing its mind, I speak up.

Obama makes George Bush look like a spinster and Bill Clinton look like a fiscal guru.

As fars as Boener, I would not trade him for Pelosi or Harry Reid ever. Whenever government gets to large and demand to much, many Americans simply drop out. Well off people and thrifty savers hord money and simply do not contribute. Its called the silent majority.

Recessions and business cycles embolden people. They create stronger and wiser Americans. Obama just spends money and expects our chidren to pay for it!

Steve,

Lower percent of the bell curve? That is a bunch of crap! You stand for wealth redistribution and the Nanny state of hand outs. The last several campaigns ran by the democrats supported "Tax the rich". You live beyond your means and expect hard working Americans and republicans to pay your bills?

Republicans are educated voters!

Look at this link and tell me that republican red States do not live within their means!

California, the biggest bastion for the democrats is what has created the problems we are facing right now.

They must be the 60 percent that is high and mighty and very smart? What a joke!

In football they say", you are what your record says you are!"

http://www.nickloper.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/california-foreclosures.jpg

I think I am done for awhile! I think I will go read some Karl Rove and get my sanity back!

get a hold of me when you have completed macroeconomics 101!

One more thing!

Here is Obama making a statement on his new budget, and then some other mumbo jumbo after he added $2.7 Trillion to the national debt in 75 days! His new way of doing business is putting everything our children's credit card and bankrupting America!

This is your frigging change!

"Tonight, the Senate has joined the House of Representatives in taking an important step toward rebuilding our struggling economy," he said in a statement.

"And by making hard choices and challenging the old ways of doing business, we will cut in half the budget deficit we inherited within four years. With this vote comes an obligation to pursue our efforts to go through the budget line-by-line, searching for additional savings. Like the families we serve, we must cut the things we don't need to invest in those we do

Obama is so full of crap!

"falsely claiming that it would cost every American family $3100."

B Agreed. The cost will be much more because Bluemanure is ignoring the fact that there is NO VIABLE ALTERNATIVE ENERGY. Wind and solar come and go, so they must have a backup ready. The only backup we have is conventional power which must be up to power and ready, negating any saving as the Europeans have found. (The NW is a bit better off here since dams can be turned on and off rapidly, but the greens want to remove these) We have no viable way to store electrical energy on the scale required.

Bottom line there is no viable alternative to today's power generation, so the only way to cut carbon is to price energy beyond the reach of the poor, then beyond the reach of the middle income. (Except nuclear which the greens have also banned.)

Carla, what price of heating your house would get you to cut your heating use to 10% of today's use? That is the price you will pay for that 10% of today's heat.

Same for your transportation (note that I said transport, because buses use oil too - actually more than small cars.)

Carla,

I think it's interesting that you only show the side of the debate where Blumenauer is speaking. The full debate wasn't shown, nor was there any information provided over the history of this issue to give it context.

I'd like to see the proof Republicans are lying. At this point it's all politics and conjecture.

Either way if any Company has increased costs they pass it on to the Consumer. Hello?

My 70 yr. old Mom on S.S. does not like the cap & trade plan or many other Tax, Tax and more Taxes/Fees plan that seem to be the only solution you D's have.

My Lifetime Democrat Mom is changing her stubborn mind on you guys.

Please keep up the stupidity as you will make sure the R's get back in power, only this time no more RINO's.

It's about time that someone took the direct approach! Well covered, too.

B Agreed. The cost will be much more because Bluemanure is ignoring the fact that there is NO VIABLE ALTERNATIVE ENERGY.

Yes there is. We can directly eliminate population and render body fat. You've bred beyond your means. I don't care how tough it is. Be glad I'm not in charge or you'd be hearing about population culls.

Let's hope Earl's as critical when the administrations greenwash is exposed. Hey, great moment in the Republic! Still don't have anyone in power proposing anything realistic, but at least we have one person calling out the self-vested liars.

Thanks, billy. (Sorry to hear your hero at NASA came out and said that people like you are proof that democracy isn't working on climate change).

SATAN (aka, Old Harry): Thanks, billy. (Sorry to hear your hero at NASA came out and said that people like you are proof that democracy isn't working on climate change).

b: Democracy isn't working? Sure it is, it just isn't pandering to Hansen's deranged perspective. When did I say he was my "hero". Sam Adams and JVDW are my heroes.

Hansen gets dopier by the day. His rhetoric rises exponentially as the wheels are increasingly seen to be coming off the AGW fraud (despite loony 'commentators who appear in such as Blue Oregon!).

The good news is that nothing significant will in practice be done that lessens (climatically insignificant) man-made CO2, despite the hysterics. So time will reveal the truth. One simply hopes that the likes of Hansen and Gore will be revealed to have knowingly perpetrated a serious and damaging fraud before rather than after they and their Kool Aid drinkers have persuaded spineless governments to blow the budget for nothing.

Thanks, b

So, they perpetuate lies, why do you think they're called neo-CONS? Truth will never be an impediment to advancing their agenda.

Carla Axtman:(Quoting billly:) Carla, what price of heating your house would get you to cut your heating use to 10% of today's use? That is the price you will pay for that 10% of today's heat. Carla Axtman: What does this have to do with the fact that Republicans have been deliberately lying about this study..even after having been told by one of its authors?

Billly: It has to do with the fact that the cost is probably going to be MUCH MORE than the estimates. I just browsed the report and found that they expect the price of crude oil to drop 50% due to reduced consumption. That is laughable - they are ignoring OPEC which just cut production to keep the price up! They are saying that OPEC will not do that again. Laughable. Here is an example of this report ignoring this basic fact: The CO2-e price has a substantial impact on the price of gasoline, especially in the more stringent cases. The CO2-e price alone would add over $2.00 to the price of a gallon in the 167 bmt case and nearly $0.70 in the 287 bmt case. But because the reduction of fuel demand depresses petroleum product prices by $0.30 to over $1.00 per gallon in later periods, the incentive effects on gasoline consumption are reduced,

Stop & think - cap & trade only works by increasing price to the point that people will use less. If the price does not go up, why would people use less? Answer: they won’t. So the caps will FORCE the price higher to whatever level is required to force people to use less. That is how cap & trade works. No price rise = no consumption reduction = not enough permits, so the price will go up to match supply to permits. To think that prices will not go up is to ignore reality. (A specialty of the Bloomin idiot)

So the question still is what price will cause you to use 85% less energy to heat your house. The only known way to do that is to freeze in the winter and roast in the summer. Or to spend huge amounts in insulation.

Same for transportation. Cut you fuel use by 85% and you are walking to work, Trimet won’t do, because trimet uses as much fuel as a small car and MAX uses lots of coal power. (Aside from the fact that we cannot afford to build enough MAX to serve everyone.)

Carla: So why are the Republicans lying about it? JK: Not one to defend the Rs too much, but they probably are just being more realistic than the MIT study which assumes that OPEC will stand by as oil prices fall - laughable, Carla, just laughable.

Again, cap & trade relies on price increases to cut consumption by 85%. Don't you suppose the price will have to get pretty high to force people to freeze in the winter and roast in the summer? Carla: this is the statement that you need to address.

BTW, Earl is a deluded, pathological liar.

B - Earl would not experience himself as such. He would most possibly perceive the same of you, don't you think? The name-calling should stop even before we can happily see Herr Rove in his grave. We are carrying on in the same way we despise our "opposition" carrying on all these years. We are taking part in the ruin of our nation by continuing the energy. I am honestly believing this now.

Stephen A B, your comments above illustrate my point about the lower 40 percent of the bell curve brilliantly.

When is Earl going to blast fellow Dems for misrepresenting things when it comes to the current economic crisis. Dems, BlueOregonians, and others lay all the blame for our current problem on Bush and his Republican friends. But is was Bill Clinton who pushed the deregulation in 1999--with the support of Blumenauer, Wyden, Wu, as well as a bunch of Republicans.

In other words: Thanks, Democrats, for helping wreck the economy!

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/106/senate/1/votes/354/

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/106/house/1/votes/570/

Chris, I agree with you. Repubs led the way, but it was a freakshow and a free for all. And it cascaded into all sectors of society at most levels. I catch myself saying Obama had nothing to do with it, but that's not true. It is not just the president who is on watch. Our elected officials are ALL supposed to be on watch. It happened on Obama's watch too. He is indeed saddled with what Bush and his ilk actively promulgated, but where WERE all of our officials? How could anyone miss an obvous BUBBLE?

Carla: Nope. I suppose that smart, inventive, creative people will find alternative sources of energy. J: I too hope for this, but the proposed carbon limits do not appear to wait for these developments to take place. In other words, if the development of new energy sources does not occur we will have no low cost energy available. This will lead to huge price increases.

Carla: So I'll ask again, why are the Republicans lying about this MIT study? J: Without having read further into the study, I presume that they are taking the worst case that can be made. Much like Al Gore takes the worst case that can be made from the IPCC study. Things like his 20 ft seal level rise.

Chris #12, as usual, is correct. David Sirota agrees:

"We, the Democratic coalition, are the ones who have the overwhelming power to change things, or not change things, and barely a day goes by where we don't see evidence of Democrats - not Republicans - standing in the way of change...Spending most of our time bashing Republicans and not pressuring Democrats is a politically stupid waste of time." (Why Progressives Must Push Democrats, Not Just Bash Republicans)