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May 11, '08
At the start of the day, it's come down to this for me. Obama's message conveys a trust in the people to participate in achieving the solution. Hillary on the other hand asks the electorate to trust her to solve the problems. I want to participate in this revolution.
May 11, '08
"At the start of the day, it's come down to this for me. Obama's message conveys a trust in the people to participate in achieving the solution. Hillary on the other hand asks the electorate to trust her to solve the problems. I want to participate in this revolution."
Well put, Genop. My sentiments exactly.
May 11, '08
The really, really devastatingly funny video on Clinton is "Hillary's Downfall" which can be viewed over on TheBradBlog. It's a spoof on the German movie "The Downfall" with new and especially timely subtitles. Hillary supporters find it cruel, but IMHO, it's not too far off the mark.
May 11, '08
This video echoes the editorial opinion across the land. The Clinton brand is going down the toilet and into the sewer by the minute. I'm no politico, but certainly HRC has to realize her only political future lies with getting on board rather than getting thrown under the bus. So why are Hill and Bill destroying themselves? For example: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121028913821779151.html?mod=opinion_main_review_and_outlooks
May 11, '08
Taking African Americans for granted is a long-held Democratic tradition, unfortunately; don't think Hillary Clinton is the first to do it.
May 11, '08
Funny editorial cartoon in the Sunday Oregonian has Obama commenting on "elitists" in Portland who "cling to their organic coffee beans and bike paths."
12:27 p.m.
May 11, '08
typical moderately humours SNL skit, but my real question is this: is the Adam Sandler movie as bad as the trailer makes it look or worse?
people actually pay money to go watch that?
May 11, '08
The question should read: "Why are Hill and Bill throwing themselves under the bus?" Seriously.. anyone have the answer?
May 11, '08
Sen. Clinton said that the defection of her husband would not deter her from staying in the race, adding, "To my knowledge, he's the only white voter Sen. Obama has."
May 11, '08
We went down to the Medford Art In Bloom festival this morning and had a grand time. The 20 or so Hillary supporters were almost worthy of pity as folks were quiet and refusing to engage with them; more intent on letting her slowly slip away.
May 11, '08
Ahhh...No morals?? Sore loser?? Did you miss the IN election coverage?? One of Mr. Obama's supporters was stuffing the ballot boxes!!! They ended up with at least 11,000 suspect votes. Also: why are her white supporters racist for supporting a white woman (by like 60%) but his black supporters aren't racist for supporting a black guy??? Finally, white voters did support Obama--before Rev. Wright--but Wright demonstrated what a complete FRAUD Obama is. Chicago style politics in Lake County VOTER FRAUD: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/wire/chi-ap-indianaprimary-afte... http://news.medill.northwestern.edu/chicago/news.aspx?id=88435 http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/05/nyt-advocates-voter-fr... http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/politics/la-na-gary8-2008may08,0...
May 11, '08
As a strong Hillary supporter, I found this very funny! The only part I didn't get was her saying Obama doesn't play 'the race card'. Please. That, and white liberal guilt, make up his entire base. Obama would be beaten like a baby seal if he were the nominee. It simply mustn't happen. Go Hillary!!! contribute at HillaryClintn.com
2:06 a.m.
May 12, '08
John Mack, Hillary's white supporters aren't racist for supporting her, except for that minority fraction who are opposing Obama because he's black. But as with Obama, overwhelmingly her supporters support her because they support her.
Which is why avwrobel's characterization of Obama's base is idiotic. Obama is an enormously effective communicator and highly attractive to many people. He gets not only white votes by high white enthusiasm in part because he doesn't make people feel guilty -- his rather assiduous efforts to avoid that is one reason why he comes in for harsh criticism from sections of the black left (e.g. Black Agenda Report), because they think it requires him to abandon advocacy for persisting distinctive black interests.
The racism is not in what the white voters do (apart from the minority), but in some of the appeals made to them and some of the "winnability" arguments -- those that presume that white voters who vote for Hillary now won't vote for Obama in the general if he's the nominee. Also in efforts like yours to smear Obama with Rev'd Wright.
For the same reason black voters voting Obama aren't racist. In November 2007, Hillary had strong majorities of black support in important southern states, and early endorsements from a number of black congresspeople. They intended to vote for her then because they thought she could win and that Obama couldn't, out of fear that whites wouldn't vote for him on racial grounds. There was a huge shift over to Obama as he showed that he could draw votes from all sorts of people.
I fully believe that if Hillary had done better on Super Tuesday and ended up with an insurmountable delegate lead, although later than her game plan had called for, those same black voters would have voted for her in the general.
If she somehow gets the nomination now, I expect it would suppress black turnout, because the only ways she could will seem unfair to many (including me), and because of how her campaign has racialized things over the past six weeks. But that wouldn't be black voters being racist, it'd be reacting self-defensively.
There is an element of "voting for one of our own because it's past time," just as there is in Hillary's disproportionate support among women. Both are legitimate in my view.
May 12, '08
Go Hillary!!! contribute at HillaryClintn.com
Does anyone else find it funny that avwrobel couldn't even get the website right to donate to Hillary? Oh and I also had another question about Obama being beaten like a wet baby seal in the general election. Do you mean that in the sense of Hillary being beaten like a wet baby seal in the primary? I'm just wondering because that's what it has looked like so far to me.
May 12, '08
"At the start of the day, it's come down to this for me. Obama's message conveys a trust in the people to participate in achieving the solution. ...I want to participate in this revolution." To me, typical of Obama-ism: Sounds good, but has no factual basis. Obama has no mechanism (and probably no intent) to allow partcipation beyond what now exists. Vote for someone with actual plans and the abilty to achieve them - Vote Hillary!
May 12, '08
Obama does have "actual plans." Try "The Blueprint for Change: Obama's Plan for America." It's 64 pages of specifics. And Obama gets things done. Like winning the primary. It's your candidate who is reduced to hollow soundbites at the moment.
May 12, '08
I watched 2300 white folks, along with about 25 black folks, go completely nuts for Obama here in Bend on Saturday. Obama yard signs are sprouting up like weeds, while I just saw my second Hillary sign today. Obama not only has a trust in people participating, he is actively looking for ways to include them.
Two notes from the Bend Town Hall Meeting with Obama: 1) Obama directly stated that the Florida and Michigan delegations WILL be seated, in a fair way. I posted this to DKos and in a short "scoop" article to Bend Weekly, whom I write for. Yet no one recognized the importance of this comment in response to a question.
2) I was on the press riser next to the CNN videographer and soundman. I listened to them talk for a long time, about how they were all completely sleep-deprived except for Obama, how they were figuring out how to get fresh clothes (buy new ones in Chicago on Mother's Day and send the old ones home) as they don't have time to wash them, etc. At the end, I talked to the grizzled old black guy who was the sound guy, asking him if everyplace they went was as electric as that meeting was. It was amazing. I haven't felt that kind of electricity from a crowd for a "performer" since seeing U2 in Madison, WI on their ZooTV tour many years ago.
He just nodded and said "Oh, yeah".
Some of the adjectives I used to describe him in my notes: charismatic, easy grace, charming, extremely intelligent, blessed
Obama's the real deal. We need him.
FYI Great Obama as Rocky spoof video here: http://www.veoh.com/videos/v7033869tfA55yaR