Reinhard: Oregon Republicans should be "Democrats for a Day"

Oregonian columnist David Reinhard says that Oregon Republicans should re-register as Democrats in order to screw around with our presidential primary:

Why do Democrats get to have all the fun? Are Oregon GOPsters consigned to irrelevance, to not mattering, simply because John McCain sewed up the GOP presidential nomination back in the day?

Ask no more, because there's an answer that should satisfy not only Oregon Republicans, but independents, too. Oregon Republicans and independents can matter by re-registering (temporarily) as Democrats 20 days before the primary. It's as easy as downloading a form at the Oregon secretary of state's Web site and returning it with the new (temporary) party identification to your county elections office. As quick as you can say "Make Every Vote Count," you're eligible to vote in Oregon's Democratic primary.

KPAM radio's Victoria Taft is even leading a "Dummocrat for a Day" effort pegged to -- you guessed? -- April Fools' Day. She's urging these new Democrats to vote for Clinton to keep the Democratic mess going. "Dummocrats for a Day" is a bit cold, but the idea is appealing.

Outrageous.

Discuss.

  • J (unverified)
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    Should be counteracted by major honest-to-goodness registration efforts. This primary gives a real chance to engage and register a bunch of new people.

  • Bob R. (unverified)
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    "Dummocrat for a Day"

    Ahh, the refreshing intellectual grandeur and civility of a right-wing radio host. Truly a wonderful thing to behold.

    At least it's honest: Any Republican registering temporarily as a Democrat with the intention of interfering in the primary process truly is a "Dummocrat". (And they'll be making work for government employees while they do it!)

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    This quote really kind of says everything you need to know about Reinhard's world view:

    One, is this ethical? Is it fair to play in the other party's sandbox and help pick their nominee? Answer: This is politics. What's ethics got to do with it?

    You stay classy, David.

  • Bill Bodden (unverified)
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    Does anybody with a brain or sense of decency pay any attention to Reinhard?

  • LT (unverified)
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    Remember the uproar when some Republicans (in Texas?) registered Dem. to vote in the primary as Rush or someone told them to, and then got to the polling place, looked at the ballot, and realized they had given away the chance to vote in a lower level (Congress?) primary they'd felt strongly about ?

    Jim Bunn and some others are in an Oregon House primary in Yamhill County. Wonder how they would feel about people leaving the GOP--thus less GOP voters in their primary.

  • Pat Malach (unverified)
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    When you vote for a candidate that you don't really want to hold that seat, you're disrespecting Democracy.

    So the headline should've been: Conservative David Reinhard and GOP minions hate Democracy.

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    I'd also note Democrats could return the favor in statewide contests like the Secretary of State's race, but all the weakest Republicans are running unopposed.

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    Much as I loathe Reinhard, I don't think this is a big deal. Dems did a very similar thing in Michigan, casting thousands of votes for Mitt Romney. Let em cast some votes for HIllary. The narrative works against her anyway and probably motivates just as many Obama supporters to turn out for him.

    Of course, I care even less since this thing is really over. Someone just needs to tell Hillary and her mudslinging supporters.

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    This is politics. What's ethics got to do with it?

    Good one Charlie, that was one of the two points that jumped out at me too. The other was:

    Who is more qualified is easy to answer..........I want someone with the viciousness and steel to go after our enemies........

    So to recap, the next president of the united states should be unconcerned about girlie virtues like ethics and should have the positive attribute of viciousness.

    No wonder Oregon Republican opinion leaders like Taft and Reinhard are in a tizzy. Their guy presumable meets the two most important criteria and it remains only for them to decide how to vote on the dem side to get someone with those admirable traits into the White House.

    The weird part is that in person, Reinhard seems like a fairly nice (if not overly bright) guy. Maybe the latter attribute precludes him from seeing that there are vast numbers of voters in both parties that would prefer to elevate people who reflect our better aspirations rather than validating our basest impulses.

    Yep, Stay classy Dave........

  • Robert Harris (unverified)
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    I'd like to pass on some advice to Mr. Reinhard something I tell my children.

    Just because something isn't illegal doesn't make it OK. If someone asks you to do something and says...its not illegal... but it doesn't pass the "eeewwww" test or the "ick" test, then don't do it.

    Reinhard seems to agree there is something icky about what he suggests, but since its not illegal, what the heck.

    If he were my kid, he'd be grounded.

  • Bill R. (unverified)
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    This is not the party of Tom McCall, Mark Hatfield, or Norma Paulus. No wonder Norma Paulus said a few years back. "There is no one left in the Republican party I can talk to."

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    "There is no one left in the Republican party I can talk to."

    That's part of the reason I left the Republican party, for sure.

  • James X. (unverified)
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    I'm with Nate. Also, Obama's already won. Moves like this just ensure that The Democrat Show is extended for a full-season run, so that every state's Democrats have a chance to turn out in droves. That can only help us. And Clinton's going to do whatever she wants to do regardless, which is to stay in the election until the superdelegates ultimately reject her.

  • Kurt Chapman (unverified)
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    I'm a NAV and intend to stay that way. I wouldn't cross into either party to vote in their primary uninvited and certainly wouldn't go with the intention of mucking things up. Who will win eventually? Who knows, it seems that the latest flap regarding Obama's clergy in his hometown church will turn some folks off.

    Who leaked this news at such an interesting historic time? Was it HRC or McCain? Is it true or is it supposition?

  • Bill Bodden (unverified)
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    This is politics. What's ethics got to do with it?

    Who is more qualified is easy to answer..........I want someone with the viciousness and steel to go after our enemies........

    I once told Reinhard that if he had been living in Germany in the 1930s he would probably have been a hack for the Voelkischer Beobachter, the Nazi rag. Nothing he has said since has caused me to change my opinion.

    As for being led by someone with viciousness and steel to go after enemies, can anyone possibly imagine what South Africa would be like today if Nelson Mandela and Bishop Tutu were Reinhard's kind of guys? By comparison Iraq would be a peaceful haven.

    The weird part is that in person, Reinhard seems like a fairly nice (if not overly bright) guy.

    There were many 'nice' Germans who voted for Hitler turning a blind eye to his faults hoping he would back off from some of his outrageous positions. I haven't read any of Reinhard's drivel lately, but I presume he is with McCain and hasn't noticed the Straight-Talk Express going round in circles to keep up with the U-Turns out of McCain's mouth.

  • Dan (unverified)
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    One other line from Dave's column stuck out for me:

    When is it unethical to act in the best interest of the nation?

    If he thinks the Rs have been acting in the best interest of America, he's more delusional than I thought.

  • Steve (unverified)
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    "Ahh, the refreshing intellectual grandeur and civility of a right-wing radio host. Truly a wonderful thing to behold."

    Have you folks listened to Mike Malloy, Randi Rhodes or Sam Cedar.

    Mike Malloy on the air, "Jesus Christ, those God Damn son's of Bitches".

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    This is politics. What's ethics got to do with it?

    Who is more qualified is easy to answer..........I want someone with the viciousness and steel to go after our enemies........

    Absolutely classic neoconservative thinking. Unfortunately for America, the definition of "enemies" more often includes fellow Americans than it does foreigners.

    That said, I agree with Nate Currie. I don't think that this is a big deal, politically. Morally and ethically, it is. But not politically.

    Frankly, it seems to me to speak more to the desperation of Oregon Republicans to find something... ANYTHING which will turn out their vote. They are worried and want to find something that will give their base a reason to vote. Predictably, they see that reason as HRC.

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    For every Mike Milloy, there are literally half dozen right wingers doing hate speech radio in every top-100 media market in the country.

    The good news is that they have alienated just about every person of god conscience in the Republican party. The bad news is that, when combined with Fox News, their reach remains at about 15-20 percent of the electorate.

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    What is the clinical term for a person who advocates cheating and rigging the system even when they know it is "wrong"? Oh yeah, now I remember: a dick. Reinhard is a dick. It must really suck to belong to a party that is so desparate to win, even with a candidate they don't really care for, that they would stoop to asking their own member to be ringers. What a bunch of schmucks. And Steve, could you please put Malloy's comments into context? Was he talking about the Republicans (in whick case I tend to agree with him.) I really enjoyed hearing our Great Christain Leader describe the US Constitution as "a goddam piece of paper!" Too bad the R's can never win anything on merit, decency, honesty, quality of character, performance, etc.

  • Bill Bodden (unverified)
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    The weird part is that in person, Reinhard seems like a fairly nice (if not overly bright) guy.

    I've always suspected that Reinhard developed that "nice guy" persona in grade school when he was learning to suck up to his teachers. Perhaps that is what triggers an instinct in so many people to dislike him.

  • Steve Bucknum (unverified)
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    First it was Rush Limbaugh, now Reinhard -

    Two peas in a pod -

    So, who wants to support an open primary now? Obviously, those who want to play in the others sandbox and create situations where the process is tricked to do things against the will of the voters.

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    Steve Bucknum: So, who wants to support an open primary now?

    Yeah, I am actually kind of wondering that myself. As I recall, several people in this thread are known for attacking the Democrats for having a closed primary.

    I shall not name names, but a number of them are posting in this thread. I'm interested in whether an actual example of the GOP trying to damage our primary has made them reconsider either their position or at least their view of how cut and dried the issue is.

  • Bill Bodden (unverified)
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    I want someone with the viciousness and steel to go after our enemies.

    As I recall from a comment by Reinhard some time ago, it seems he lacked "the viciousness and steel to go after our enemies" when he was eligible to join the military. The last I heard his kids passed up the chance to display "viciousness and steel to go after our enemies" in Iraq. Another chickenhawk.

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    Steve, if you're referring in part to me then I would point out that I've never criticized Democrats for having a closed primary per se. What I've criticized is Democrats (and Republicans) using tax dollars of those excluded from freely participating in the closed primary to pay for it.

    That said, I would readily agree that the issue seems much less cut and dried than I used to think it was. Although Obama has done exceptionally well with the caucus system, there are some... non-inconsequential arguments for having popular vote elections rather than caucus elections, even if it does leave some citizens effectively disenfranchised. Rather than highjack the thread off-topic I'll just leave it at that.

  • Gil Johnson (unverified)
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    Year ago, I switched parties in the primary to vote for Norma Paulus over Denny Smith in the governor's race. No one told me to do it and I don't think my vote mattered much in this case.

    I guess the difference is that I voted for the stronger of the two candidates.

    Reinhard influences maybe a few hundred people, if that. So not to worry.

  • Ryan Healy (unverified)
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    The best part is at the end of the article, where he gives advice on how to be a Democrat. His advice includes the line, "Avoid meeting actual Republicans lest your stereotype of Republicans be shattered," and then proceeds to list a number of stereotypes of Democrats. This sort of self-defeating argument is the hallmark of his style. He comes across as not too bright, perhaps the reason his writing isn't so much inflammatory as it is mildly itchy. I suspect they keep him around because he causes people to furiously write letters.

  • LT (unverified)
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    "Avoid meeting actual Republicans lest your stereotype of Republicans be shattered,"

    Which leads me to believe he never met anyone who campaigned for Tom McCall, admired Norma Paulus and Clay Myers, knows someone who voted Bush/Hooley in 2004, admires St. Sen. Frank Morse.

    Of course, none of those are the sort of people David R. probably associates with.

  • Syd Barrett (unverified)
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    Victoria Taft is just one more right wing, bellyaching malcontent radio "entertainer" throwing red meat to the poor rabble who listen to her. Pathetic really. She, Herr Reinhart, and all the other regressive media bullies are, at their heart, fascists of the first order. They’re the moral descendents of all of America’s conservative hate-mongers. Imagine for a moment (it’s not hard to do) a broadcast by this knuckle dragger from, say, Little Rock, in about 1957 or so.

    “Welcome, Gov. Faubus, to the Victoria Daft Show”

    “Thanks for havin’ me here, Victoria.”

    “So tell me, Orval, what’s up with all these uppity colored folks?”

    “Well, Victoria, a bunch of communist agitators from New York have come down here and stirred up our Negras, and we’re not going to stand by and allow our white American way of life to be trampled by a bunch of Yankee carpetbaggers. I don’t care what they say in Washington or the Supreme Court. These people are outsiders trying to ruin our precious southern conservative heritage. And if we let them in the High Schools, the next thing they’d want is to teach evolution and then it’s on to promoting miscegenation.”

    “Oh, no, we can’t have that.”

    “We’ll stop ‘em, Victoria – you can bet on that.”

    “Gee, that’s great, Orval. You know all the good conservative people of Arkansas stand behind you.”

    Ah, yes – conservative talk radio from the archives.

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    Shine on, you crazy pundit.

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    LOL - nice one, Stephanie.

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    democracy is that cheap to people like Taft, i guess. no matter the thousands of Americans who've died and been wounded for our country. let's mess with an election just because we can. screw Washington & Lincoln. screw the guys at Valley Forge. screw our fore-mothers who fought just to get the damn vote, the patriots who risked so much to bring full voting rights to the South. to hell with them all.

    it's politics. let's play games with it.

    democracy: it's easy to throw away when you don't believe in it.

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    Steve Maurer:

    As I was just telling an Obama supporter, just imagine if we had the top two primary thing right now. You could re-register as a Dem to vote for Hillary and prolong the primary. Then you'd still be able to vote for all the Republicans you want down the ballot. Can you imagine the mess we'd have?

  • Chuck Butcher (unverified)
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    What pleases me is that they have to actually put the stain on their soul that they registered (D). All that said, the Democratic Party does invite all the NAVs and (R)s that mean something by it to come participate. You have about a month to come over. If you can honestly look at either (D) presidential candidate or (D) senatorial, or even State Leg candidates and tell me their is an unappreciable difference between that (R) and (D) you are too cynical for anything I have to say. And I do believe that Primaries are huge in effect. The investment in that (D) means you can help direct the direction of the Party.

  • Chuck Butcher (unverified)
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    Just to be clear, I've poked at Kevin about ... a lot of times to come over. We frequently don't see eye to eye, but I'm convinced he'd be a real asset. How's that for inclusiveness?

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    He comes across as not too bright, perhaps the reason his writing isn't so much inflammatory as it is mildly itchy.

    HAHAHAHAHAHA!

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    LOL - that's something of an understatement, Chuck. You've consistently been exceptionally principled about how you've handled your end of it and that deserves to be recognized, IMO.

    FYI, I registered "D" about a month ago. I'm one of y'all now. My intention is to reregistered NAV this summer. But the reality is that I'm a creature of habit. Much moreso than most. And having had a few months to get used to wearing the "D" I may just decide to leave it as-is. We'll see.

    One thing that I can report back already is that your "stain on their soul" quip was spot on, as of course you already knew. A year ago I would have felt it a stain on my soul too, even as an Indie. But I've been mildly surprised that I feel nothing like that now that I have actually done what I used to think of as "unthinkable." Which is precisely why I'm equivocating about whether I'll change back after the primary. I may or may not. But one thing is certain - I view the Democratic Party differently today than I ever have before.

  • Larry McD (unverified)
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    From the Boston Globe this A.M.:

    For a party that loves to hate the Clintons, Republican voters have cast an awful lot of ballots lately for Senator Hillary Clinton: About 100,000 GOP loyalists voted for her in Ohio, 119,000 in Texas, and about 38,000 in Mississippi, exit polls show.

    The 314 people who read Reinhard's dribblings pale in comparison. Of course, when you throw in all of KPAM listeners that adds a couple of thousand... so this could have a serious... oh, right, never mind.

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    Confession: I listen to KPAM in the mornings because I like Bob Miller and also because they tell me what time it is every three minutes or so. As much as I enjoy Bob and the format of the morning show, from time to time I want to grab the radio and fling it across the room when they do the promos for Victoria Taft and Sean Hannity and whoever the third wingnut of the day is.

    I have always been opposed to the Open Primary proposal and I hope this episode seals its fate.

  • Lani (unverified)
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    Rush and other rightards urged the same thing in Texas and Ohio--vote for Hillary.

    This would be a moot point if Hillary Clinton would finally acknowledge the fact that she's lost and withdraw from the race.

    How is her continuing candidacy doing any good for the Democratic party?

  • chris (unverified)
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    I remember similar shenanigans a few years back with Ralph Nader, but the response from Democrats is so different. Back then, folks used Republican support for Nader as yet another platform to attack him as a spoiler. And when Democrats (including the county chair) encouraged folks to actively sabotage Nader's nominating convention, I don't recall those folks being attacked as "haters of Democracy", like Reinhard is here.

  • watcher (unverified)
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    You guys shouldn't be so hard on the right wing radio whack jobs. They are crucifying John McCain. Probably going to be a big factor in getting Obama elected.

    Victoria Taft should have her picture in the dictionary, under "blonde".

  • Ryan Healy (unverified)
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    When Kos supported a similar move in the Michigan primary I found it equally distasteful, but ultimately I don't think this is the sort of action that turns elections. I think that, more than anything, it's emblematic of the total collapse of the Republican party. When you're reduced to petty vandalism to feel better about yourself, you've got real problems.

  • Tim Trickey (unverified)
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    This concept is an embarrasing one for those of us on the "right". I support candidates I want to vote for, and wouldn't dream of switching parties to vote for a candidate that I don't like or trust.

    This sort of logic makes the GOP look desperate and is one of the reasons they have lost people like me from their ranks, leaving us with "no where to go"... I.E. Registering as "Non-Affiliated".

    I like Victoria Taft, respect the humor in this idea, but I could never fathom this being a serious consideration for real conservatives and true Republicans.

    It's all a little bit too embarrassing to think about. This concept actually makes me consider that it might be time to adopt "open primaries"; a notion that I have never supported in the past.

  • Bill Bodden (unverified)
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    FYI, I registered "D" about a month ago. I'm one of y'all now. My intention is to reregistered NAV this summer. But the reality is that I'm a creature of habit. Much moreso than most. And having had a few months to get used to wearing the "D" I may just decide to leave it as-is. We'll see.

    I'll be following in your footsteps from NAV to "D," Kevin, but I'll return to NAV after the primary. There are just too many problems with the party for me to stick around.

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    It will be fun for the county parties and various campaigns when they begin contacting these newly registered Democrats by phone, email and especially door knocking, asking them to support their local Dems, to support such and such progressive issue, to make a contribution to this cause or that candidate. I'm sure every time these "primary Dems" are contacted they will regret having taken the low road, cuz they will have to talk to Dems as if they are one of us, or confess they are dirty rotten scoundrels: "Um, I just registered as a Dem to screw with your primary." Wow, that's so very decent and patriotic of you. Do you also spit on the graves of soldiers who died fighting for your right to free and fair elections, if they were Democrats? I intend to become their new best friend when I go canvassing.

  • Tom Civiletti (unverified)
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    Mr. Reinhard should be careful what he asks for. With the lack of anything positive coming from Republican officeholders and candidates, many Rs who switch their registration to D in order to play games may find their new party affiliation feels better than they expected and stick around.

  • Lani (unverified)
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    My husband's been registered NAV for many years. I'm a registered Democrat for decades.

    Yet every time the Democrats call, they ask for my husband. Every Single Time.

    It's a little weird.

    Since I'm a registered Democrat who never hears from the party, I doubt these new NAVs have anything to worry about.

    I'm trying to talk my husband into registering Democrat to vote for Obama.

  • Lani (unverified)
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    Stop the italics?

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    I know several NAV's who like Bill and I are registering Dem to vote for one or more candidates in the primary. I can't think of any that intend to stay Dem, but you never know. In any case, the ones I know all lean hard left which constitutes a fundamentally different situation from what Blowhard... er... Reinhard is suggesting.

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    I'll add that I know other NAV's who either don't lean left or only do so slightly who have expressed positive interest in one or more Dem candidates but who to the best of my knowledge have no intention of reregistering Dem for the primary. Although one says that he's done so in the past.

  • Roger Wilner (unverified)
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    Nate Currie had it right, and Ryan Healy named Markos Moulitsas Zuniga as having recommended the same tactic for Democrats in Michigan--vote for Romney, and prolong the McCain struggle to secure the Republican nomination.

    I spoke against the tactic on DailyKos (as "JTML"), and I don't think it'll have any measurable effect here in our Democratic primary.

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    I too remember Kos of DailyKos recommending this tactic. His excuse was that Republicans had done this several times in the past to us, so why not do it back to them?

    I disagreed.

    A little hardball in politics is OK, but not to the point of actually behaving like a Republican. We have to have standards, you know.

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    actually, chris, i was referring to Taft as a hater of democracy, but i'll extend the privilege to Reinhard. he seems to merit that judgment.

    our right to vote is not a joking matter. it's not fuel for political machinations. it's as close as we come to a sacred right in the public arena. all over the world, for several centuries now, people have died to be free and to have the right to choose who and how they will be governed. in America, for the past two presidential campaigns, people have stood if freezing weather for hours just to cast a vote.

    there's a lot of what we do in politics that deserves mockery or demolition. the vote is not one of these. a primary election is still an election. it is one of the very few times every single (adult) citizen can have his or her say, and to degrade it for crass political ends is reprehensible. go ahead and spin and obfuscate during the campaign; that's not the best thing for democracy, but getting to truth is always a dicey business.

    but to mess with a person's vote: you just can't get more unAmerican.

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    Dead right, t.a., but the other chris was making a different point that you've ignored, which is that the D packing of the room to prevent Nader getting on the ballot was at least equally anti-democratic (I might argue moreso) & that bears some reflection.

  • LT (unverified)
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    Chris, about this: "that the D packing of the room to prevent Nader getting on the ballot was at least equally anti-democratic "

    was that sanctioned by the Democratic Party? Or was it some activists who made a short drive to the place where the meeting was being held?

    My view is that one reason so many people tune out politics and often register NAV is that there is too much stereotyping, as if the actions of individuals speak for a whole political party.

  • John (unverified)
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    David Reinhard demonstrates by his comments that he is an ethically challenged person. He should receive his just desserts. He should be treated like the dirtbag that he is. The Republican party in Oregon is just about ready to be tossed out with the trash. Reinhard should jump in the barrel with the rest of them.

    By the way, I have written KPOJ and asked that Malloy be dumped or get some medication.

  • Tom Soppe (unverified)
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    Bill Bodden asks "Does anybody with a brain or sense of decency pay any attention to Reinhard?"

    No, just Republicans.

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