Barack, I am your cousin.
Yes, it's true. Dick Cheney is Barack Obama's cousin.
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Oct 18, '07
so is John Kerry
whats your point
3:53 p.m.
Oct 18, '07
The response from the Obama Campaign: "Every family has a black sheep".
Oct 18, '07
THAT'S NOT TRUE! THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE! Besides, I was going to go into Toshi Station to pick up some power converters!
4:36 p.m.
Oct 18, '07
Maybe that's what it was up to Dodd to put a hold on the Senate version of the FISA sell-out bill... and not a hold from Obama, Biden or Hillary.
Why can't we get Democratic Senators with some principals and some fracken vertebras?
Oct 18, '07
Everyone has four grandparents, 8 great-grandparents, etc. Back that up 64 generations to ancient Roman times, and each of us would have ancestors numbering about a billion billion. (Number of humans to ever have lived: about 106.5 billion) Sorry to break the news to MSNBC, but we're all related.
Just like in 2004 though, the Republicans are dropping little snide remarks about the candidates they fear the most.
5:19 p.m.
Oct 18, '07
Geez...this is just out there. I wonder what impact this will have on Obama's campaign?
Oct 18, '07
Wasn't John Edwards coming to Oregon in October?
5:20 p.m.
Oct 18, '07
JHL,
Where did you get that population figure? 105.5 Billion? I am not saying it is wrong. Just curious as to how you got there.
Fred
5:26 p.m.
Oct 18, '07
Well, there goes Wyoming.
5:47 p.m.
Oct 18, '07
Wasn't John Edwards coming to Oregon in October?
Yup, he sure did. He was at the AFL-CIO convention and at the Oregon Business Association's annual Statesman Dinner.
Oct 18, '07
Yet further proof that Democrat & Republican are two sides of the same coin. Heads or tails, we lose.
Oct 18, '07
Heads or tails, we lose.
The only truth to your comment is that you are, in fact, a loser.
Oct 18, '07
"The only truth to your comment is that you are, in fact, a loser."
Spoken like a true idiot, Frank. I'm a loser because I believe neither major party is capable of resolving our most pressing political issues? I guess we have different definitions of the word loser. Me, I go to work every day, pay taxes and don't expect government to provide me or my family with basic needs. Yep, what a loser I am.
Oct 18, '07
Leno said it all:
Cheney has more blacks and gays in his family than the entire Republican Party has.
Oct 18, '07
Lestatdelc, Didn't Dodd vote in favor of invading Iraq?
I'm pretty sure Barack issued a statement backing up Dodd on the FISA hold.
Barack may be a distant cousin, but he is the Anti-Cheney. Politically, I think "stay the course" Hillary is more closely related.
9:59 p.m.
Oct 18, '07
Well... it certainly won't win me any friends over here but I happen to agree with Brian.
Just because they're two sides of the same coin doesn't mean that both are just mirror images of each other. The reality is far more nuanced than that. But that doesn't negate Brian's point. Frankly, it is my considered belief that the system itself is corrupted and highly disfunctional. Getting the big $$$ out of the system would be a HUGE step in the right direction, IMHO, because the $$$ is 90% of the problem. The other 10% is a woeful lack of critical thinking skills among voters.
11:55 p.m.
Oct 18, '07
it's amazing how many Dems are already forgetting 2000. not the stolen vote, but the Nader-led meme that Bush & Gore were identical. that Dems & Reps were two sides of the same coin.
and we saw how that turned out. the al Queda group in the Clinton-Gore White House wiped out by Bush almost immediately, and next thing you know: 9/11. the tax cuts, the Patriot Act, FISA, ANWR drilling, S-CHIP, war war war. how many of these would have happened under Gore? zero.
and now we're hearing it again: Dems & Reps are identical, Hillary's no better than the GOP. sweet jesus. anyone feel like learning from history so we don't repeat it?
and the number 1 lesson to be learned (which, to those who listen to Howard Dean & Obama, is a lesson already learned) is that the parties in DC will not fix things: the parties in DC in alliance with the people across the nation can fix things. maybe you think Hillary is awful, but Hillary, a Democratic Congress and millions of active, informed citizens can make some huge changes for the better.
and with Obama, even more so.
Oct 19, '07
I'm just lovin' the photo montage.
Oct 19, '07
Yes, the photo montage is great!
Fred, it's from the Population Reference Bureau. The article has its own references as well, but I didn't bother following them up.
I guess the point I was going for is that whether you follow the Adam and Eve argument or the simple numerical facts, we are all related on some obscure level.
The fact that the Republicans thought it worth their while to bring this up shows that they feel the need to tarnish Obama's Democratic creds.
Oct 19, '07
Republicans and Democrats are two sides of the same coin? I suppose so. But then, so are light and dark; good and evil; love and hate.
If your point is that it makes no difference whether we elect Democrats or Republicans, you're wrong.
Some New Bad Things That Bush/Repub Congress Did -- Invade Iraq -- Tip our tax code more in favor of the rich -- Allow Warrentless Searches -- Create Extra-Judicial Prisons -- Allow Extra-Judicial Interrogation Techniques (what folks like you and me call torture) -- Double the National Debt -- Use the DOJ to Investigate Political Opponents -- Etc.
New Bad Things That Bush/Dem Congress Did -- Um, I guess they could do more good stuff -- Um, I guess they could correct some of the bad stuff quicker
There's a big difference between those two lists. Am I happy with everything the Democratic congress has done? Absolutely not. But it is much, much, much, much better than the Republican congress it replaced.
Oct 19, '07
Why would the GOP release this story to wreck Obama's campaign? Many in the republican party (as well as a large number of democrats) are in the anybody-but-Hillary boat. Why would you want to take out her most serious competitor in the democratic party?
8:26 a.m.
Oct 19, '07
Why would the GOP release this story to wreck Obama's campaign? Many in the republican party (as well as a large number of democrats) are in the anybody-but-Hillary boat. Why would you want to take out her most serious competitor in the democratic party?
Regardless of whether or not that's the intent here, there's a number of reasons why they might be interested in taking out Obama. Obama is attracting a lot of support from Republican voters, for example, in a University of Iowa poll, he came in third place among Republican voters. That doesn't mean much for primary season (other than states with open primaries), but if Obama is the nominee and that trend continues, it would kill the GOP's chances of winning. Hillary, on the other hand, tends to be a divisive figure, so while Republicans don't like her, they might think they have the best chance of beating her as opposed to Obama, or Edwards, or other candidates.
As for people who say there is no difference between Republicans and Democrats, you are either woefully misinformed or just plain naive. There are so many comparisons to draw: between the current republican president and our last democratic president, between the Oregon State Legislature this year with a democratic majority and in the past with a Republican Majority. Even the US Senate, 6 for '06 anyone? Even within the two parties, legislators have major ideological differences, let alone between the two. Now, not all Republicans are "bad", and not all Democrats are "good", but to say that they are all the same is just ignoring reality.
Oct 19, '07
As a liberal child of conservative parents, I think making any kind of issue about opponents being related from generations back is utterly stupid. Seriously, if Jeb Bush was liberal (or even just a democrat), and running for office, would it be more than just a curiousity that people who were related by blood might have different beliefs (gasp)?!?
5:51 p.m.
Oct 19, '07
No no no...you should have had a picture of DARK HELMET!
"I am your father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate"
11:46 p.m.
Oct 19, '07
JR, true, true, true....
If the Draft Tom Udall movement is successful, there will be three cousins running for the U.S. Senate: Tom Udall (D-NM), Mark Udall (D-CO), and Gordon Smith (R-OR) -- whose mother was nee' Udall.
I'll support the Udalls with everything I got - and oppose Gordon Smith just the same.
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