Is Willamette Week's legislative review good, bad, or awful?
Last week, Willamette Week did its biannual review of metro-area legislators. Of course, many BlueOregon readers weighed in - reviewing WW's review.
Some think it's good - a valuable service that unmasks what's happening at the Lege. Others think it's bad - that it's biased, based on poor sources, or woefully incomplete. And still others argue that it's so bad that it's ugly, undermining Oregon's democracy.
A few selections:
Pat Ryan: Trying to assess legislator performance based on the opinion of lobbyists is like asking jackals to rate the hunting skills of the lions around the watering hole.
Jeff Alworth: I think these ratings are worth something, Jon. For the layperson who has no access into the way our leaders legislate, it's often almost impossible to assess how well they're doing. We can judge them in the aggregate, and we might be able to hazard a guess about party leaders, but as to the effectiveness of our own reps? Hard to say. Personally, I find it useful to know how the folks WW talked to rated my leaders.
Scott Shorr: Quoting a lobbyist who is upset that Ben Cannon didn't trust him on the lobbyist's research is ridiculous. Questioning the research of a lobbyist and not taking it at face value should be a badge of honor and WW makes it look like a fault.
LittleVoice: Because we have no idea who the insiders are (although one could guess), and therefore what their agendas are, these rankings are completely useless.
James X: Asking 120 lobbyists to rank our representatives? How is that anything but "awful?"
MCR: I don't think surveying lobbyists is a bad way to find out what's really going on down there. Sure, you have to keep in mind the potential problems that go along with it. Still, these folks typically know the dirt (and the good stuff...) better than any other group. Who else would you survey? The media? They get much of their info from lobbyists. Legislative staff? Most of them would be terribly biased toward their caucus. There is no perfect, unbiased group to survey.
Survey is Destructive: The methodology is fundamentally flawed, to the point that it's very destructive.For example, someone like Ben Cannon, who didn't take lobbyist/PAC money, and whom the lobby might feel that they don't own, is likely to get lower marks. That sort of independence should get HIGHER marks. Balance between D and R lobbyists doesn't give balance, because they all have an interest in rewarding the people who follow the lobby. And the WWeek shoul be rewarding EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE.
And a few suggestions for improvement:
DJK: Why no rating between "good" and "bad"? There aren't any legislators who are just "average?"
Matt: However, perhaps an alternative would be a survey of legislators rating the "Good, Bad and Awful" lobbyists? I'm pretty sure that would be equally snarky, and maybe even more entertaining.
Kari Chisholm: It sure would be interesting to hear what people think about all the legislators. And, sure, WW's audience is Portland-area - but it'd be nice to be able to put 'em in context with the rest of the Legislature.
MCR: The sample size of the people surveyed (and the response rate) were fairly pathetic. It would be nice to know what kind of criteria WW used when choosing which lobbyists to survey.
JTT: I'd like to see an anonymous survey of legislators on their colleagues...
And then there's this comment, by Ron Buel - who helped invent these ratings:
As the person who invented (alongside current WW publisher Richard Meeker) these ratings of legislators way back in the mid-1970s, I would have to agree that the kernel of truth that used to exist in these ratings has been corrupted by narrowing the group to lobbyists alone....As poorly as the Oregon press covers Salem and state and local government in general, these sorts of attempts by journalists to help voters gain context and perspective seem important. Willamette Week needs to re-think why they are doing this, and make it work better for everyone, especially voters. This should not be the publication's only foray into Salem, less election recommendations, either.
Who covers the legislature well? Who tells us how our democracy really works? These are fundamental questions in our society. At least Willamette Week is still at it, still trying -- give them an e for effort, but not a passing grade this time around.
What do you think? Are WW's legislator ratings good, bad, or awful? If you were developing a survey to measure legislator effectiveness, how would you do it?
June 19, 2007
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Jun 19, '07
I would suggest asking each legislator to rank all the others. Then compile the results in four segments: D on D, R on R, R on D and D on R. Then compare which Ds are ranked highly by both Ds and Rs, and vice versa.
That's if you could get anybody to respond....
If not, which is most likely, it would expose a basic flaw in this type of effort: it's probably too explosive for people to participate honestly or at all.
1:51 p.m.
Jun 19, '07
I think it's awful. Sure, you want to hear from the lobbyists, especially since they often times know inside stuff. However, using their word to rate the legislators is just wrong. It encourages the lobbyists to give bad ratings to great legislators who just refuse to "bow down" to the lobbyists and good ratings to those who kiss their butts.
It would be interesting if WW considered being down at Salem and doing some exit interviews, per say, of regular citizens. Of people coming to work sessions and committee meetings. Or watching the session. Or visiting a legislator's office.
Maybe a random sampling of those who live in the legislator's district who have contacted their legislator. Or maybe even pick, before the session, some people in each district who are going to be your test subjects. They'll commit to keeping an eye on their legislator and contacting them occasionally.
Maybe take into consideration things like:
• can you get a meeting with the legislator, or at least a staffer?
• do you get a response from calls, letters, and e-mails, and if so, how long did it take?
• how accessible is the legislator in their home district? do they hold town hall meetings?
• do they put out an e-mail newsletter during the session?
• do they put out a report at the end of the session?
I realize you can't just poll the average citizen since they probably don't even know who their legislator is, let alone what they've been doing in Salem. However, that doesn't mean you have to base everything on what the lobbyists have to say.
Jun 19, '07
The Willamette Week review is great sport among Salem insiders. People vie to get their anonymous quotes into it or pay off grudges they have. And, of course, it represents a certain segment of insiders' point of view. It shouldn't be taken too seriously. Its yellow journalism at its best, being snarky and vicious to no real purpose.
I think the legislators ought to do a similar review of the reporters. It would be more interesting.
2:28 p.m.
Jun 19, '07
"Or maybe even pick, before the session, some people in each district who are going to be your test subjects. They'll commit to keeping an eye on their legislator and contacting them occasionally."
This is a SUPERB idea. Pick 10 people from varying parts of the spectrum in each of the 60 House districts, who will pledge to monitor their Rep and Senator during the session, and actively attempt to engage the lawmakers on issues. Then they can rate them on a set of evaluation questions.
Obviously the hard part is the legwork in choosing people to participate, and may be beyond the scope of WW. But the O has the wherewithal to do this, and should.
2:45 p.m.
Jun 19, '07
I agree with Jenni, it's awful. I emailed Nigel Jaquiss about it, essentially saying that lobbyists already have disproportionate influence, and giving them a chance to rate lobbyists anonymously only increases their influence on public opinion, without evaluating its accuracy.
He replied that he made a strong effort to seek out a variety of lobbyists, and didn't just base the results on the "most powerful."
I recognize that he's a Pulitzer winner with good judgment, but still, that is not enough for me. The ability to slam someone when anonymous is big in itself - all of us BlueO regulars know that. Add the stamp of approval of a major publication, regardless of the purity of their motives, and it becomes obscene.
A true public service would be to seek out opinions based on geography - after all, the legislators are there to serve a district, right? I'd like to see neighborhood associations and other community organizations used. Of course, that would make for much more difficult reporting, because such groups would have to be prodded into developing an opinion.
But if they were to develop opinions, I have no doubt they would be of more value than what we got.
The anonymity, to me, is the single most offensive aspect of this generally poor effort. Isn't anonymous sourcing only supposed to be used as a last resort - not a precondition of an article??
Jun 19, '07
WW is terrible.
3:54 p.m.
Jun 19, '07
Rated by anonymous lobbyists, many with an ax or agenda to grind. I know it makes for great newspaper reading, but I don't feel there is any way to gauge how serious or real these impressions are.
How bout' BlueOregon engaging in some kind of survey that measures each legislator by other means?
1.) How well they work with other legislators 2.) Did they put forth bold or better ideas and not succumb to crass partisanship? 3.) Do they service their constituents well? 4.) Did they keep their campaign promises? 5.) Did they attempt to work across the aisle with the other party? 6.) What do they personally feel was the most important thing they accomplished this session?
And so on, and so forth....
Jun 19, '07
The article says the rankings come from the 30 lobbyists out of 110 who thought it worth their time to anonymously dish on our officials. Can one think of a worse information source?
Jun 19, '07
I think Jenni's idea is a good one, and very WW. They're all about the "we posed as a regular person and tried to" stories. Try to get access to a legislator as a public citizen and rank them on it.
9:09 p.m.
Jun 19, '07
What he said.
Jun 19, '07
How about making it simple, everyone with a D behind their name gets A+, while every R is labeled a worthless waste of human life. I am sure that would fly right past BlueOregon easily.
9:32 p.m.
Jun 19, '07
Steve:
That would be just as bad as the current reviews since it isn't an honest portrayal.
There are Rs that deserve higher ratings because they are accessible to their constituents, are willing to compromise, etc.
There are sometimes Ds who deserve lower ratings because they don't do the basics - town halls, responding to their constituents, etc.
There are people on both sides of the aisle who do good work. And do a good job of representing their constituents. We may not agree with their politics, but they may be accurately representing the people in their district. One candidate does not fit all.
We're not expecting them to give high marks to all Ds and bad marks to all Rs. We'd just like something that is actually representational of the work they've done. Right now you can be an excellent legislator, but get low marks because you wouldn't accept PAC money, won't take a lobbyist's facts without checking them yourself, etc. But you could be an awful legislator and get high marks just because you kissed the right butts.
Jun 19, '07
With regard to what Jenni said:
There are Republicans who give great customer service. There are arrogant Democrats (members and staff) whose attitude is that unless people can hang around the capitol or otherwise pay close attention to the proceedings, they don't deserve to know what is going on at the legislature.
And partisan cracks just ignore role of NAV voters in deciding the elections which decide the majority.
Jun 20, '07
"The article says the rankings come from the 30 lobbyists out of 110 who thought it worth their time to anonymously dish on our officials. Can one think of a worse information source?"
Not to mention that the only lobbyists who were surveyed were the members of the lobbying club at the Capitol. No volunteer advocates or part-timers got to chip in...just the ones who paid their dues to get into the official lobbying book.
Jun 21, '07
WW's ratings are a great way to tap into the how legislators do at upholding the status quo, ie, rewarding the powers that be. This is not my idea of a worthwhile way to access a legislator's worth to the voters.
<h2>Also, some legislators are critiqued for working on too many issues, while others are faulted as one-trick ponies. This seems a poor indicator of worth. Lobbyists, it seem, want legislators to work on their issues - with the correct attitudes, of course - while not "wasting time" on other issues.</h2>