Pew's Interesting Findings
Jeff Alworth
Let's say you're a 29-year-old, college-educated man (not hard for many of you to imagine). Who do you support in the election? If you're an average member of your cohort, you're an Obama man. On the other hand, if you're the average middle-aged, high-school educated woman (black or white), you're probably tilting Hillary. So reveal the findings of the latest Pew poll, which is richer in detail than other polling you may have seen and worth a look.
Democratic Factions
There's one especially fascinating finding about "liberalness," but let's leave that slice of peach pie for later and turn instead to the meat and potatoes--the Democratic field and their early supporters. According to this poll (1,188 Democratic-leaning registered voters), Hillary is out in front with 34%, followed by Obama (24%), Edwards (18%) and Gore (14%).* As to the breakdown of support, Pew summarizes:
Obama runs about even with, or leads, Clinton among several segments of the partisan base, including liberals, men, younger voters, and the highly educated. Obama also has strong regional support from Democrats in the Midwest, and is tied with Clinton in the West. Clinton's largest advantages come among conservatives, older voters, and those in the lowest income and education categories.
John Edwards runs six points behind Obama among all Democratic voters, but draws far closer among certain key constituencies. In particular, Democrats age 65 and over are slightly more likely to say they back Edwards than Obama at this stage in the race. And Edwards runs nearly even with Obama among white Democrats.
Looking through the numbers, I see a couple of potentially volatile constituencies. Clinton leads Obama by ten points overall, but has substantially greater support among a number of key constituencies. She leads by a whopping 27% among self-described conservatives, a number that is probably reliably stable. In addition, older women (over fifty years old) support her by a 20-point margin and older voters (over 65) by 23%. And Northeasterners favor her by 14%. All of these are advantages she can be expected to maintain.
However, other early advantages seem more vulnerable. Respondents with a high school degree or less favored Clinton by 25%, and voters earning under $30,000 by 26%. She is also favored in the South by 21% of voters. Among other contenders, Edwards seems poised to make some inroads in these areas. Obama may also be eying Southern voters--as the election goes on, Hillary's lead among blacks, now 10% over Obama, is especially vulnerable. Finally, and perhaps most surprisingly, Hillary leads among all religious Christians--by 14% among white Evangelicals and 12% among black Evangelicals, by 7% among white mainline Christians, and by 16% among Catholics. These are surprising advantages for a candidate little associated with religiosity. As Obama and Edwards become more well-known, it seems reasonable to expect Clinton's lead to fall in line with her overall support.
Finally, Pew also asked voters to characterize candidates' images ("strongest leader," "most inspiring," etc.), which I find unpersuasive this early in the campaign. However, one finding did seem like good news for Clinton. When asked which candidate was most likely to make the changes the country needed, 37% (the largest by a 15-point margin) named her. As an establishment candidate regularly excoriated in the blogosphere for timidity, this is a good sign.
Voter Views of Ideology
Okay, now for the pie. Pew asked voters to rate the candidates on ideology, from conservative to liberal, on a six-point scale. The results are a wonderful testament to the success of Fox News and the vast right-wing conspiracy. George Bush, rated most conservative by respondents, averaged a 2.5 (.5 points to the right of center). Hillary Clinton, the most liberal, was rated a 4.4--1.4 points to the left of center. So according to Americans, Hillary is roughly three times further out on the liberal limb as Bush is out on the conservative side. [Correction: midway point on a 1-6 scale is 3.5, so the difference between Bush and Hillary is not worth mentioning--.9 to 1. Thanks to John Calhoun.] The culprit? Rabid conservatives:
But Republican voters, on average, rate Clinton as 5.0, compared with Democratic voters who score Clinton as a 4.2. Fully 58% of Republican voters give Sen. Clinton the most liberal score possible - a six on the six-point scale - compared with just 22% of Democratic voters.
Republican voters view all four leading Democratic presidential candidates - as well as other leading Democrats, such as Bill Clinton and Nancy Pelosi - as far more liberal than do Democratic or independent voters. By contrast, Republicans, Democrats and independents give virtually identical ideological ratings to all of the Republicans tested, including George W. Bush.
This doesn't have a lot to say about what will happen in November, but I don't recall a finding that more clearly highlights the nature of "polarization" in American politics than this. There doesn't appear to be any; most voters have a well-adjusted sense of political reality, and then there are conservatives, who see bogeymen in every name followed by a "D."
Among Democratic voters, the swing among candidates is modest, from a rating of 3.9 for Edwards to 4.2 for Hillary. (Strangely, they asked about Bill Clinton, too, the only inactive politician. He was rated as the most liberal politician in the poll.**) On average, Democrats rated themselves as a 4.0.
Early results, and far from diffinitive. But for poll geeks like me, mighty interesting.
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*Sharp-eyed readers will note that Gore isn't actually in the race while a number of other Dems who are--Richardson, Biden, Dodd, Kucinich, and Gravel--weren't included in the poll. The numbers are therefore skewed, as supporters of the unmentioned candidates had to respond with their preferences of secondary candidates.
**It would have been a good idea on this question to add a few famous historical politicians--Lincoln, Reagan, FDR--as a way of grounding the responses. It's clear that Republicans answered not in terms of liberalism/conservatism, but partisanism. I suspect that conflation was prevalent to a greater or lesser extent among all respondent groups.
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1:45 p.m.
Apr 27, '07
Jeff, thanks for this -- especially the stuff about how rabid conservatives see the world.
One question to clarify... The Democratic primary questions were asked only of Democrats, right? While the liberal/conservative "peach pie" stuff was asked of everybody?
Apr 27, '07
What is so dissapointing about coming in first place in the debate. Are these the hired guns of political pundits for Sen.Hillary who over looks the american voters, and then inflate her numbers. Give me a break..
2:20 p.m.
Apr 27, '07
Jeff,
Good post, but bad math. The poll was to select the position on a six point scale 1-6. The middle point is not 3, but 3.5 (1-3 on the right 4-6 on the left). Therefore Bush is one point to the right and Hilary 0.9 to the left of center.
2:28 p.m.
Apr 27, '07
Here is another perspective. In Jackson County there are Obama and Edwards groups forming and meeting. There are no groups formed for Clinton, just yet. Obama is leading in donations per the NYT's donor list by zip codes. Edwards is next in receiving donations. Only one donation in the month of April for Clinton has been received from Jackson County.
I have met one Democrat in the past 4 months who supports Clinton. Clinton's lead in the Pew poll doesn't jive with the little I know about Jackson County Democrats.
2:30 p.m.
Apr 27, '07
Jeff, I took a look yesterday at some Pew polling about Hispanics, religion and politics. Oregon political insiders should be paying close attention.
2:30 p.m.
Apr 27, '07
Another point. As much as we believe that Bush is a disaster for the country and an ideologue on many issues, it is not always easy to say he is "conservative". In so many ways he is a radical and violates much of what is considered conservative. In fact many conservatives, especially of the libertarian bent, have denounced him as not conservative.
Apr 27, '07
But Lamont- if you noticed, it was only the polical pundits who said that Hillary Clinton came out on top after last night's debate.
There were polls conducted by ABC, CBS, MSNBC and numerous other sources -- and Barack Obama won EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM.
The debate set-up by MSNBC was terrible. Brian Williams acted both rushed as well as stressed out. They need to take a tally of how many candidates they have, then figure out how many questions they can realistically ask so that all of them get a chance to respond. That had to be the worst format I've ever seen any network do on a debate.
As far as Hillary being declared the media's choice, for whatever reason, the MSM desperately want her in.
But if you noticed last night, after all of the pundits had blabbed on for hours about how Hillary had knocked it out of the park ---Chris Matthews had to read the results of the live interactive debate poll. He had a shocked look as he announced to them "Hey guys, the public doesn't agree with the pundits" and said that Obama came in a solid first with Edwards in second followed by Clinton.
The pundits will ignore that data though and will go on blabbing about Hillary until the next debate. THEY WANT HER IN.
An excellent source for a more accurate view of how Democrats and Moderates feel about the candidates is to look at the Daily KOS and the MyDD monthly straw polls. Hillary Clinton cannot break out of 5th or 6th place to save her life. And we're talking THOUSANDS upon THOUSANDS of voters. You can only vote once per IP, so it's not a rig job.
As far as hired guns for Hillary, welp- the media wants desperately for her to win. It's the story they want to cover. And that's why the look on Chris Matthews face last night when he had to tell Pat Buchanan and the rest of them that she came in 3rd was priceless!!
I wouldn't worry too much. The media doesn't pick our candidate. And in the real world, she's just not cutting it with Democrats and Moderates.
2:40 p.m.
Apr 27, '07
The Democratic primary questions were asked only of Democrats, right? While the liberal/conservative "peach pie" stuff was asked of everybody?
Right. Though they have the breakouts on the peach pie stuff by party.
Good post, but bad math.
Oh good lord, what a gaffe. Thanks; I'll fix it in the text.
2:52 p.m.
Apr 27, '07
markus' points are fascinating. Sometimes Matthews (known not so affectionally among Kos progressives as "Tweety" ) is given crap by the left for seeming to favor Republicans in these types of events (debates, states of the union, pressers, etc)--when the truth is probably much closer to the idea that he and the rest of the Beltway punditry corps simply tend to back the more "establishment" candidate. It didn't matter that Dick Cheney was a complete nutbag, his "seriousness" and "experience" caused him to win the VP debate over Edwards in their eyes. It's why Matthews at times looked shocked to see that people did NOT actually like Bush as a person by about 2005. And I suspect it's why they all liked Hillary over Obama. Their days are spent with the power brokers in Washington, and their machine backs Hillary. Obama (and to a lesser degree Edwards) are the insurgents, and to the extent they're discussed at all in the elite circles, it's with disparagement.
I should caution that while Hillary does indeed poll very poorly in Kos straw polls, and that her true position amongst the entire Democratic electorate is closer to that than what the pundits say, Kos voters aren't really a good proxy; they're by and large further to the left than most and perhaps more importantly very high-information voters.
Apr 27, '07
Hi Folks...
Paulie....I'm sorry to be the one to have to tell you this.....there are no Democrats in Jackson County. There are only Republicans, Constitutionalists and Ashlanders.
Regards
4:59 p.m.
Apr 27, '07
Hey wharf rat you've got a sense of humor! Just so you know the Dems are at a registration disadvantage in Jackson County but the Dems had more voters turn out than the Repubs in the 2006 election. Republican Representative Sal Esquivel HD6 only kept his seat by 800 votes. Dems in Jackson County are in the hunt and we hope to bag some positions traditionally held by the Repubs.
Apr 27, '07
Hilary's high poll numbers mostly reflect name recognition and not a strong base of support. Hilary should be very worried at this moment. First, Obama has already pulled even with Hilary in national polls, see Rasmussen. Second, Obama and Edwards have the strongest base of support, and Edwards has an excellent ground operation in Iowa. And third, the national polls are not a great indicator of the position of the candidates. It is better to look at the NH and Iowa polls. Edwards is very strong in both states. Hilary's poll numbers will drop as voters begin to recognize and learn about the other candidates. And why is Gore in the poll? There has been no reasonable indication that he will run, and it is not very likely with the strong candidates currently in the Democratic presidential field. My prediction, by the time the primaries are upon us, the race will be between Obama and Edwards, with Hilary fading fast, much to the dismay of Washington pundits.
5:01 p.m.
Apr 27, '07
Disagree TJ about Kos community being further to the left. I think they are simply more high-information voters and more partisanly stalwart than the braoder cross-section of the party. The notion of left/right ideology doesn't neatly apply to the Kos community. Take the gun issue for example, the Kos community is overwhelmingly more center/libertarian on such an issue, and far to the right of Clinton and the eastern establishment of the party in D.C.
Apr 27, '07
Great info -- thanks for sharing that. I'll have to take a closer look when I've got more time, but I like Pew has provided great demographic data in the past. Looks like they haven't disappointed here either.
5:22 p.m.
Apr 27, '07
Jeff, I took a look yesterday at some Pew polling about Hispanics, religion and politics. Oregon political insiders should be paying close attention.
Chuck, do you have any sense of what's happening with the evangelical vote? The numbers on Hillary's strength really surprised me. Is there some reason she's doing so well among this demographic that I'm unaware of? Both Edwards and Obama seem far more comfortable talking about their faith.
7:58 p.m.
Apr 27, '07
Chuck, do you have any sense of what's happening with the evangelical vote? The numbers on Hillary's strength really surprised me. Is there some reason she's doing so well among this demographic that I'm unaware of?
Hillary's first hire was an organizer to work in evangellical churches:
http://www.religionandsocialpolicy.org/news/article.cfm?id=6125
8:41 p.m.
Apr 27, '07
I suspect that the poor and evangelical Democrats lean Hillary for the same reason -- they're both less partisan, and thus less interested in the race at this point. Consequently, they're answering more on name ID.
I still haven't had a chance to dig in, but did they ask this: "How much time have you spent considering the various candidates for president?" I suspect you'd see a huge advantage for Hillary among people at the bottom end of that spectrum. The least well-known candidates (Kucinich, Biden, Gravel, Dodd, etc.) likely do best among high-information high-interest voters.
Apr 28, '07
Odd how, of the Democratic candidates, Edwards is considered the most conservative, yet the conservative/moderate faction of the D party supports Clinton, who is rated most liberal.
I can't help but think that a lot of Clinton's support is simply name ID as Jonathan pointed out. She's very visible right now but as people learn more (a bit of wishful thinking there) the race should get interesting.
John Calhoun makes a good point as well. I find it laughable that Bush is considered conservative - socially conservative maybe (perhaps that's all the conservatives are clinging to now? gays and abortion?) but his fiscal irresponsibility has landed him in the hall of shame by true conservatives.
While these polls are intriguing, I also find them depressing. I like to know what others are thinking but I don't like to know how little they're thinking.
12:00 p.m.
Apr 30, '07