Gordon Smith Calls for Gonzales to Step Down?
Jon Perr
USA Today is now reporting that Oregon Senator Gordon Smith has joined his GOP colleague John Sununu (R-NH) in calling for Attorney General Alberto Gonzales to step down:
"For the Justice Department to be effective before the U.S. Senate, it would be helpful" if Gonzales resigned, Sen. Gordon Smith, R-Ore., told USA TODAY this afternoon.
For a detailed look as to why Gonzales must be replaced, see the "Top 10 Reasons Gonzales Must Go." And for the latest news, legal filings, and other essential documents surrounding the politically motivated purge of federal prosecutors, see the "U.S. Attorney Scandal Documents."
UPDATE I: The Oregonian is now reporting that, according to spokesperson Lindsay Jackson, Smith stopped short of demanding Gonzales' departure. Hat tip to Kelly for catching the latest act of Smith fence-sitting.
UDPATE II: On yesterday's Mark and Dave show on 1190 KEX, Senator Smith reprised his line of inching towards but falling short of calling for a Gonzales ouster, "If the President wants the Justice Department to be effective before the US Senate the next two years, letting Mr. Gonzales go would be helpful." (The quote is about 20 minutes into hour 2.)
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Mar 15, '07
No, he explicitly doesn't.
Once again, Gordon Smith wants the ink for distancing himself from Bush, but he specifically won't call for Gonzales's resignation.Lots of nice headlines for some 2008 TV ads though...
Mar 15, '07
hmm.
the sad part about this story is that there are going to be a lot of moderates in this state who are going to be impressed by this, and we don't have a press that is going to be capable or even willing to articulate the real reason behind this statement along with his phony anti-war statement a few months ago.
i wonder if gordon will call for gonzales to resign, but then at the last minute refuse to support a resolution calling for his resignation because we need more people in government named 'alberto'.
much like he called for the surge to be fought, but then refused to sign a non-binding resolution opposing it because it contained language that dubbed it an 'escalation'.
sad.
Mar 15, '07
Kelly,
Thanks for the update and the correction from the Oregonian. I'll update the post to reflect the latest Smith fence-sitting.
6:47 p.m.
Mar 15, '07
Good lord, can the man take a stand on anything?
Mar 15, '07
I've grown pretty weary of Smith's recent pandering, but I think he's one of the first Republicans to realize what a liability President Bush has become to the party. As it stands now, Bush is an albatross around the GOP's neck, and any Republican that embraces him does so at his/her own political peril. I wouldn't be surprised to see other Republicans following suit, and some have, i.e. Sununu.
Mar 15, '07
While stopping short of calling for Gonzales' resignation, Jackson said Smith believes Gonzales has "a credibility problem," adding: "It will be helpful to this Congress, the administration and the American people to have an attorney general we can have full confidence in."
If Gonzales has a "credibility problem" and is not "an attorney general we can have full confidence in" shouldn't all senators have the courage to demand he resign? Since Smith recognizes these problems, why doesn't he take action? Any answers besides the obvious?
Mar 15, '07
He was for Gonzales' resignation before he was against it.
Mar 15, '07
I think we know what Republicans will be calling for Gonzalez to step down, or quasi-doing so, based entirely on whether they have a potentially tough re-election in 2008. When I heard that a Republican Senator called for Gonzalez to do so yesterday, my first thought before hearing the name was "Um... John Sununu of New Hampshire! If not him Susan Collins. Then we go to Gordon Smith and Norm Coleman..."
9:24 p.m.
Mar 15, '07
Looks like smart politics on Smith's part -- more of the same campaigning to the middle and governing to the right that we've come to expect.
Any time Gordo pulls something like this, it's an opportunity for his opponent to get ink exposing the fact that the Emporer has no clothes. Unfortunately, since there is no opponent, Smith is getting a basically free pass even though the print media is clearly willing to be skeptical about him.
The longer he gets to give his narrative unchallenged, the harder he is going to be to defeat in 2008.
Mar 16, '07
Sal,
I'll disagree with that. The state party and/or the DSCC can play the role of loyal opposition - pushing back and defining him where possible - without a candidate. The problem is that it just doesn't happen consistently.
Besides this blog - with all due respect to allies who have done some here and there - no one has really inserted themselves as a credible "go-to guy" for a competing narrative.
Which is not to say that Meredith won't make it an immediate priority and/or that it wouldn't be better with a declared candidate.
1:26 a.m.
Mar 16, '07
The state party and/or the DSCC can play the role of loyal opposition - pushing back and defining him where possible - without a candidate.
Stay tuned....
2:19 a.m.
Mar 16, '07
The state party and/or the DSCC can play the role of loyal opposition - pushing back and defining him where possible - without a candidate.
But without the funds to hire a communications person, there still won't be enough of the hard hitting stuff against Smith as there should be.
I really hope they make a ton of money on Saturday so they can afford to hire at least the top three vacancies (ED, communications dir, finance dir). If you can't go, I recommend a donation to the state party. You can help fund the party and the work in needs to do this year. Everyone has ideas, but without funds things can only go so far.
Mar 16, '07
Sen. Gordon Smith lacks stones. I yawn at his latest attempt to act as if he's doing or saying anything meaningful.
Mar 16, '07
Clinton fires 93 federal prosecutors - I don't remember any outrage from Dems then...?
Bush fires 8 federal prosecutors and it's a major crisis?
Sounds like a vast left wing conspiracy to me...
Mar 16, '07
Gordon Smith isn't brave enough to call for Attorney General Gonzales' firing. He doesn't have the cajones to demand the release of the two brave border security agents Gonzales put in prison for shooting an illegal alien drug smuggler in the butt. Smith is a moral coward.
Mar 16, '07
Schizzle,
You're parroting a bogus GOP talking point that has been utterly refuted.
EVERY modern President replaced most or all of the US attorneys at th start of their first term. Alberto Gonzales' own chief-of-staff Kyle Sampson said as much in one of the incrimininating emails:
"In recent memory, during the Reagan and Clinton Administrations, Presidents Reagan and Clinton did not seek to remove and replace U.S. Attorneys to serve indefinitely under the holdover provision."
For more, see: http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/14/bush-attorneys-customary/
Mar 16, '07
"EVERY modern President replaced most or all of the US attorneys at th start of their first term. Alberto Gonzales' own chief-of-staff Kyle Sampson said as much in one of the incrimininating emails:"
Sounds like you're parroting left wing talking points.
You're suggesting at the start of Bushs term he fired most or all of the US Attorneys? If that did occur, I would imagine there would have been a major media coverage, and I can't seem to find any reference to that...
I tried to hit the link you provided, unfortunately it's blocked for me, I'll have to check it this evening.
Mar 16, '07
Jon,
"At the time, President Clinton presented the move as something perfectly ordinary: "All those people are routinely replaced," he told reporters, "and I have not done anything differently." In fact, the dismissals were unprecedented: Previous Presidents, including Ronald Reagan and Jimmy Carter, had both retained holdovers from the previous Administration and only replaced them gradually as their tenures expired. This allowed continuity of leadership within the U.S. Attorney offices during the transition."
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110009784
Mar 16, '07
Schizzle,
According to the nonpartisan Congressional Research Service, between 1981 and 2006, ONLY TWO U.S. attorneys were dismissed by the President at times other than the start of his first term.
A key selection here:
At least 54 U.S. attorneys appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate left office before completion of a four-year term between 1981 and 2006 (not counting those whose tenure was interrupted by a change in presidential administration). Of those 54, 17 left to become Article III federal judges, one left to become a federal magistrate judge, six left to serve in other positions in the executive branch, four sought elective office, two left to serve in state government, one died, and 15 left to enter or return to private practice.
Of the remaining eight U.S. attorneys who left before completing a four-year term without a change in presidential administration, two were apparently dismissed by the President, and three apparently resigned after news reports indicated they had engaged in questionable personal actions. No information was available on the three remaining U.S. attorneys who resigned.
That's not a talking point. It's called a fact.
Mar 16, '07
As I mentioned above, Presidents replace most or all of the U.S. attorneys upon taking office.
As none other than Karl Rove put it: "When we came in, we ultimately replace most all 93 U.S. attorneys — there are some still left from the Clinton era in place. We have appointed a total of I think 128 U.S. attorneys — that is to say the original 93, plus replaced some, some have served 4 years, some served less, most have served more. Clinton did 123. I mean, this is normal and ordinary."
Again, what is unique to the Bush White House is sacking prosecutors at a time other than the start of the first term.
Mar 16, '07
"Again, what is unique to the Bush White House is sacking prosecutors at a time other than the start of the first term."
Ok, so had Bush agreed with Rove and said go for it, and they just fired everyone, then everything would have been OK? No foaming at the mouth by Dems? Instead it sounds like they debated, things got delayed and they finally agreed on 8 - hence the delay.
Mar 16, '07
Hey It's to have Smith on the the side of a democratic America. Just dont forget that he is one that voted for the suspention of habius corpus last year. Wake up; Smith is a tyrant that has betrayed every American
Mar 16, '07
Hey It's to have Smith on the the side of a democratic America. Just dont forget that he is one that voted for the suspention of habius corpus last year. Wake up; Smith is a tyrant that has betrayed every American
11:30 a.m.
Mar 16, '07
"He doesn't have the cajones to demand the release of the two brave border security agents Gonzales put in prison for shooting an illegal alien drug smuggler in the butt. Smith is a moral coward."
You mean the ones convicted of multiple felonies, including destroying evidence? They knew they'd screwed up badly, and they tried to hide it.
Gotta love how anti-immigrant zealots only think the law is sacrosanct when it comes to people here illegally. When the police are the ones breaking the law, suddenly it's time for nuance and mercy.
11:32 a.m.
Mar 16, '07
"Ok, so had Bush agreed with Rove and said go for it, and they just fired everyone, then everything would have been OK? No foaming at the mouth by Dems? Instead it sounds like they debated, things got delayed and they finally agreed on 8 - hence the delay."
Still would have been unprecedented.
And it misses the salient points that they were dismissed for not doing the bidding of the administration instead of following the law, and that they were replaced with the intention of appointing new lawyers who would not be available for confirmation from the Senate. And of course, there's also the fact that the White House has been caught lying repeatedly about their intentions and involvement in the matter.
Mar 16, '07
Schizzle:
The firing of the US attorneys is not the point. The question is, "Why were they fired?" If it was because the US attorneys, in the process of doing their jobs, were going after criminals who were friends of the Bush Administration, then that is obstruction of justice. Obstruction of justice is not only illegal, it is also in the case of people involved in the Bush Administration impeachable.
1:16 p.m.
Mar 16, '07
or, as in the case of the USA fired in Washington State, NOT pursuing "voter fraud" allegations (for which, in his own words, "there was no evidence") or other prosecutions politically disadvantageous to Democrats.
in New Mexico, not delivering indictments of Democrats prior to the November elections.
etc. etc. ad nauseam
Oh, and then LYING ABOUT IT UNDER OATH.
Mar 16, '07
Posted by: Bill Bodden | Mar 16, 2007 12:04:23 PM
Schizzle:
The firing of the US attorneys is not the point. The question is, "Why were they fired?
You could make the same argument about Clinton firing the 93: Why were they fired? Was it to protect them from all of Bills battered woman, Whitewater, etc. that the Clinton admin knew was lurking out there...?
1:47 p.m.
Mar 16, '07
from nytimes.com, the newest headline:
White House Now Unsure if Firings Were Miers’s Idea
It just gets better and better.
Mar 16, '07
Gotta love cowards like Gordon Smith who support illegal alien drug smugglers. But then, 95% of Democrats do the same thing.
1:55 p.m.
Mar 16, '07
"You could make the same argument about Clinton firing the 93: Why were they fired? Was it to protect them from all of Bills battered woman, Whitewater, etc. that the Clinton admin knew was lurking out there...?"
No, we know why he fired the 93--because they were all Republican appointees from the previous administration.
Mar 16, '07
Schizzle: "You could make the same argument about Clinton firing the 93: Why were they fired? Was it to protect them from all of Bills battered woman, Whitewater, etc. that the Clinton admin knew was lurking out there...?"
If you can be persuaded by facts, go to thinkprogress.org and mediamatters.org to get yourself straightened out on Clinton's "firings" in 1993.
The point you seem to be making is that if Clinton did it, then it is okay for Bush to do it. First of all, what Clinton did is different from what Bush did. Second, and more important, you seem to be suggesting that if someone commits a crime and gets away with it then it is okay for someone else to commit a crime and he/she should be given a pass. If you think that is a valid argument, then go out an rob a bank and if you get caught, tell the judge you should get away with it become other bank robbers did. Lotsaluck.
If you go to Think Progress, you'll have lots of company their with your fellow trolls who are more interested in spinning fantasies than paying attention to the facts.
5:12 p.m.
Mar 16, '07
Joe Conason, at salon.com, offers some much needed clarity in a nice compact package.
Mar 16, '07
Was it to protect them from all of Bills battered woman, Whitewater, etc. that the Clinton admin knew was lurking out there..
No, actually it was keep those prosecutors from checking into all those people that Clinton murdered and all of his drug-running schemes. I thought everyone knew that.
12:32 a.m.
Mar 17, '07
I'll disagree with that. The state party and/or the DSCC can play the role of loyal opposition - pushing back and defining him where possible - without a candidate. The problem is that it just doesn't happen consistently.
Whether the state chair is Meridith Wood-Smith or Jim Edmundson, they are a poor substitute for an actual candidate running an actual campaign when trying to make a credible case against a sitting U.S. Senator.
Of all people, you should know that.
Besides, the DPO doesn't even have all of its pieces in place yet.
As for the DSCC... they won't spend a dime here without a candidate. In terms of making public comments... I like Chuck Schumer, but does anyone in Oregon really care what he has to say about Gordon Smith?
All of which is too bad because the best way to get Smith to vote like a D for the next 20 months -- something he'll do if he believes that his political survival is at stake -- is for a credible candidate to turn up the heat and call him on his BS.
Mar 17, '07
Where is Ron Wyden? Has he weighed in on Gozales yet?
Mar 17, '07
Was it to protect them from all of Bills battered woman, Whitewater, etc. that the Clinton admin knew was lurking out there..
No, actually it was keep those prosecutors from checking into all those people that Clinton murdered and all of his drug-running schemes. I thought everyone knew that.
The above confirms that lin qiao gets his inspiration from the loony right fringe. Too bad his mind in so closed; otherwise, while he is trolling around this web site he could get a little enlightenment.
Mar 18, '07
When Sen. Smith comes out against Gonzales, or for pulling the troops out, he is being shrewd. I take it he's doing a Hatfield.
In order to get himself reelected in Oregon, all he has to do is make himself indistinguishable from the average Oregonian. He's against bad government officials. He's against badly fought wars. The Democrats, so far as I can see, are losing this election right now.
Mar 18, '07