Wonder how fast the members of PERS will begin campaigning for Kulongoski now that they're faced with Saxton or Westlund, who will insist they pick up more of their own health insurance costs while slashing their retirement benefits?

LT - can you stop with your one-trick pony nonsense?

Everyone's heard it. We all get it. Candidates need to ask for your support, and not assume that they'll get it. Fine. You've made your point. Over and over and over and over and over.

huh??

I've been reading this blog pretty regularly for a couple months, and LT's point seems relevant and fresh to me.

What's the problem with it?

-Pete

I remember from the Presidential Election of 2004 that Rasmussen is a rather partisan polling firm that seems to inflate R numbers. Though all polls have ideological slants no matter how 'objective' one ought to be, Rasmussen's poll should be taken with a grain of salt due to its outright connection with the Republican party.

That being said, I'd believe these numbers.

Pete & LT, there's nothing wrong with the substance of the comments. I agree with it.

But if you're just repeating yourself day after day after day, you're abusing the commons. This is a place for interesting commentary and compelling opinion, not just repeating the same talking points over and over.

Imagine a dinner party at your home. If there was someone there who just kept saying the same thing over and over - regardless of the conversation 'round the table - you wouldn't ask 'em back.

Kari- how can it be both a commons, and a private dinner party, at the same time? Your post strikes me as very unseemly, given who you are.

I'd say there's an easy way to avoid this kind of situation: just keep your critiques the people posting comments anonymous.

You frequently disavow ownership of the tone of Blue Oregon. But attacking somebody's approach to posting tells a different story.

-Pete

You frequently disavow ownership of the tone of Blue Oregon. But attacking somebody's approach to posting tells a different story.

BlueOregon is a commons. But every commons can face the tragedy of the commons - in which irresponsible users of the commons wind up destroying the very commons that they enjoy so much.

I take very seriously one specific responsibility: to manage BlueOregon for the benefit of everyone who enjoys it. In particular, I'm very comfortable limiting the participation of specific individuals whose behavior hurts the participation of everyone else.

Now, with fairness to LT, she's very far from that point. I'm just getting tired of the one-trick pony act. And, I should point out, I'm a very patient individual. I am, however, the person that is the recipient of MUCH complaining about LT's daily drumbeat of 2-3 messages repeated over and over and over.

As you can imagine, I run into a lot of people who read BlueOregon. Almost always, I try and engage in a dialogue about what they like and what they don't like. When I'm told that "some commenters are annoying" - I push back, and ask for specifics. About half the time, it's "LT - with her hatred of futurepac, and her suggestion that everyone else is voting D for the sake of voting D, and she's the only one who thinks critically about the issues."

Personally, I think that's taking it a bit far -- but that's the feedback I'm getting. And I'm getting it on a near-daily basis these days. I'm a patient guy, and I certainly haven't banned LT from the blog (and I don't expect I'll have to), but that's an option.

Certainly, there are plenty of others (left and right) who haven't heeded my suggestions to moderate themselves - and I've had to do it for them.

I'm glad that BlueOregon is so compelling a venue that we have to have discussions like this. Many blogs aren't so lucky.

Personally, I've been trying to moderate my own participation in the meta-discussions about BlueOregon (recognizing that I have a reflex habit of defending the place), so that'll be all that I have to say about this.

Rasmussen is a robo poll in the new age of robo polls, where they're actually pretty darn good. Both Rasmussen and Survey USA did excellent jobs forecasting the 2004 races. Pew was the only one who did as well or better.

And now that he's conceded that party identification DOES shift in some ways, the daily Bush approval numbers are starting to look more like the rest of them.

I have to agree that on many of his topical questions, there are some leanings that coome out--but on the straight political questions like approval ratings and do you favor X or Y, they do well. I would take these numbers seriously, although IMO they are likely to represent some of Ted's lowest and some of Ron's highest.

And--OK, I can't resist--we had those numbers up at Loaded O last Tuesday. Maybe that's why I heard Kari tell Nick Fish this morning, that's his favorite blog. :wink:

I find it interesting that the Rasmussen press release came out on Tuesday, but we didn't post it here until today. And then, KGW-8 reported it as news... today.

Things that make you go hmmmmmm........

Sheesh, I was just wondering and end up misinterpreted. So wondering again; critics have been hard on Kulongoski for not being agressive enough on environmental issues. With Saxton/Westlund in office can we expect a serious step back on the environment?

The irony of the election is Dems have a serious chance to take back the House this time around and to set the legislative agenda. Losing the governorship to Saxton/Westlund seems unproductive for progressives.

Surprising that the people annoyed by someone's posts are afraid of the scroll bar. Also surprising that their complaints are taken seriously.

If complaining is the way to have an impact around here, let me add one of my own: I don't like anything that looks like a bullying or a dismissive attitude. It makes the place seem less welcoming overall, even if the intent was only to take down one person.

Aside from that...nice site.

From your mouth to Ted's ear, Paulie.

Regardless of the rest of this stuff, Ted needs to hit hard on bio fuels, energy conservation, and other alternative energy efforts. The Gorge warriors have already tarred him up pretty badly in the primary, and they'll be back for the summer engagement, so green building and power strategies are a must.

Westlund's already there, and Ted needs to keep up the chatter to prevent additional hemorrhaging from the Left.