Wow, smart move to avoid debate. Lousy bastards are getting good.

Seems to me the R's handed the D's a political gift, if, of course, someone does some creative framing.

Okay... my Robert's Rules of Order is kinda weak, but how do rules allow someone to schedule something on a day for which there can be no schedule? If the legislature isn't going to be meeting on the date in question, the act of attempting to place something on the schedule out of session would be out of order by definition. It seems like a simple ruling from the parlimentarian would solve this. Please explain.

AFS:

They play by their own rules and Mason's.

J. Smalls: Thanks for the link. Looks like I have homework :-)

"They play by their own rules and Mason's."

And do you remember that dust up at the beginning of the session about the job status of the Chief Clerk?

I don't recall all the details, just that it was the first power grab of the session. Anyone who could have done that was capable of doing this.

Maybe you have known an older person who used the exclamation "Why, the idea...". That is what I felt when I heard Wayne Scott on the radio saying something like "Democrats are only doing this to have an issue next election!".

Aren't these the folks so confident that "the voters have spoken"? Are they worried about parents and others doing to the House what fed up voters did to the Senate--change the majority?

These folks just don't want serious debate.

I called a couple of Republican House offices after hearing the Scott quote and said "Rest assured, there would have been plenty of issues to debate in the election had today never happened". The people who answered the phone didn't seem to know how to react.

Are there intelligent Republicans who are trapped in a brainless caucus and just don't know what to do?

What I don't get is what the house republicans think they accomplish by delaying a vote. Sooner or later thay will have to vote on a 5.4 billion budget, perhaps as an amendment to the 5.2 billion that will be proposed next week. The time for an up and down vote on supporting K-12 education at a no-cut level will come, sooner or later.

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See, it isn't 'shenanigans' at all, there is nothing half-considered in it. It is total and purposeful and premeditatively extreme to a criminality. It is neanderthal. It is inhuman. It is an abomination.

To say 'shenanigans' is to get spun through the looking glass into illiteracy, when fun pun goes to said dead. Words mean things and everyone agrees on the meanings and the irremedial rightist would only tantrum and harass, not for offering an improvement, but to subvert and insubordinate and in intended sedition. They don't understand, they likely can't understand, and so scream 'Everybody stop making sense,' because they are left out.

Not 'shenanigans.' Totalitarianism. "Parlimentary totalitarianism." Which is no parliment at all.

There is no understanding of accruing wisdom, through debate and exchange and careful study and reflection. They can only confiscate wisdom.

What does delay gain them? Delay. Delay is obstruction. Obstruction is attrition. Attrition rends the soul. They survive without one.

Wayne (not his Christian name; perhaps it's as in John ___ ) Scott is horribly unmindful. I stood near nose on nose to him (but for a belly) last summer, requiring that he recognize the Oregon Constitution orders the legislator's duty in fiscal respect must balance by combination of levying taxes (the revenue side) AND appropriating measures (the spending side) -- NOT ONE side ALONE. He held his mind so singularly small with such might he began a scarlet sweat. And was pulled away, and excused himself into another room, to walk and compose. His staffer and I have some association, back a ways, and we stood talking twenty minutes (and entered my suggestions) until Scott could return and, with mediation, conclude our discussion.

Last week he spoke in the school gymnasium and when I walked in late he visibly flinched, and derailed his own thought. An hour, side-glancing, he waited for me to bring forward a question, but I let him twist in his own wind. He's over. (His defame was taking Kitts' campaign money to rent him a room, and in general, thirty pieces of silver to his purse every time prefigure thirty votes to tally.)

Leaving while Scott was still working, I stopped aside with his staffer and asked that she prompt him to a health exam of his corpulence.

The rightist rigor grip is slipping in Salem, grasping, gasping, and gaining the House gavel may be not a case of prying it from cold crotched fingers, but of picking it up after it's fallen.

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